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RE: Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?



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Yes I prefer the HC2 for two reasons.=20=20

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One it has a faster response time than the VeraLite. i.e. when multiple
com=
mands are sent at once, dim, dim etc. (However the VeraLite is a low spec
c=
ontroller and there are other Vera=E2=80=99s options also available). Don=
=E2=80=99t forget both Fibaro and Vera will interface with HomeVision via
h=
ttp requests I can help you with this if you need it.

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The other reason is it has a much better user interface, both for setup
and=
what I can endpoint screens. iPad and iPhone, I don=E2=80=99t have any And=
roid but there is a Fibaro App available for this also.

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The negatives for Fibaro =E2=80=93

1)    The OS has been totally revamped around Christmas time and has been
r=
eleased as a beta, it still has many bugs.  Fibaro are fixing them but
they=
are slow.  When the HC2 is shipped it comes with the stable version but no=
t as feature rich as the beta upgrades. (I=E2=80=99m not sure what
features=
are missing.) As we are on the cutting edge/early adopters a lot of us don=
=E2=80=99t mind waiting for updates, tinkering and fixing stuff with
workar=
ounds.=20=20

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2)    The Fibaro forums are useful but not as mature as the Micasaverde
(Ve=
ra) forums

=20

3)    Even though the user interfaces are nice they are not customisable.
I=
believe you can use Roomie, NetIO or a simple webpage via the HTTP API if =
this is needed.

=20

4)    No third party plug-ins allowed yet by Fibaro=20

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5)    A problem for both the Fibaro and the Vera there are no
I/O=E2=80=99s=
on the controllers, they are wireless only units, hence good we have the H=
TTP API. In the future I may look at using some itach devices.
=E2=80=98des=
igned to connect almost any electrical device to a network in a matter of
m=
inutes=E2=80=99   <http://www.globalcache.com/products/itach/>
http://www.g=
lobalcache.com/products/itach/

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Good luck with you final choice, I would love to hear what you go for and
y=
our experiences.

=20

Steve=20
=20
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Kind Regards,=20
_________________________________________=20=20=20
Steve Jones
<mailto:email@xxxxxxx> email@xxxxxxx

=20

From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 19 April 2015 08:22
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?

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=20=20

Thanks Steve,

=20

You mentioned that you're going from Vera to HC2. Which do you prefer? I'm
=
guessing the HC2?

=20

Thanks,

=20

Paul.

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_____________________________
From: Steve Jones email@xxxxxxx <mailto:email@xxxxxxx>  [ukha=
_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> >
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 07:59
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> >





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Hi Paul,

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I can=E2=80=99t help you with advice on Z-Wave Alarm systems.  However, if
=
you end up choosing the Fibaro Home Center 2 it has a built in plug-in for
=
a Satel Alarm System. I=E2=80=99m sure the Vera will have many more
plug-in=
options for alarms.=20=20

=20

The Fibaro is sadly lacking in plug-in=E2=80=99s, as it=E2=80=99s not
curre=
ntly open to third party developers. Albeit it=E2=80=99s said to be coming
=
in the future.=20

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=20
=20
Kind Regards,=20
_________________________________________=20=20=20
Steve Jones

From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>  [mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 19 April 2015 07:39
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>=20
Subject: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?

=20

=20=20

So as I'll be losing Comfort in the new house, what wire-free alarm
systems=
that have good Z Wave connectivity should I be looking at? Not interested =
in a monitored system but something that is reliable with battery powered
P=
IRs etc. main panel can be mains powered of course.=20

=20

Thanks,

Paul.


On 16 Apr 2015, at 07:58, Paul Gale groups2@xxxxxxx <mailto:groups=
2@xxxxxxx>  [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@yahoog=
roups.com> > wrote:

Thanks Steve :)

=20

Paul.

=20

From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>  [mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 16 April 2015 07:44
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>=20
Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Best group/forum for z wave and alarm advice?

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http://forum.fibaro.com/

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http://forum.micasaverde.com/

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Kind Regards,=20
_________________________
Steve Jones
email@xxxxxxx <mailto:email@xxxxxxx>=20=20

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<span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-l=
anguage:EN-US'>Yes I prefer the HC2 for two reasons.=C2=A0
<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></a></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-ser=
if";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#=
1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>One it has a faster response time
than t=
he VeraLite. i.e. when multiple commands are sent at once, dim, dim etc.
(H=
owever the VeraLite is a low spec controller and there are other
Vera=E2=80=
=99s options also available). Don=E2=80=99t forget both Fibaro and Vera
wil=
l interface with HomeVision via http requests I can help you with this if
y=
ou need it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-f=
amily:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-family:"Aria=
l","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The
other reason =
is it has a much better user interface, both for setup and what I can
endpo=
int screens. iPad and iPhone, I don=E2=80=99t have any Android but there
is=
a Fibaro App available for this
also.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-far=
east-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span=
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-US'>The negatives for Fibaro
=E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
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lfo2'><=
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</span></span></s=
pan><![endif]><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The OS has been totally revamped around
Christ=
mas time and has been released as a beta, it still has many bugs.=C2=A0
Fib=
aro are fixing them but they are slow.=C2=A0 When the HC2 is shipped it
com=
es with the stable version but not as feature rich as the beta upgrades.
(I=
=E2=80=99m not sure what features are missing.) As we are on the cutting
ed=
ge/early adopters a lot of us don=E2=80=99t mind waiting for updates,
tinke=
ring and fixing stuff with workarounds.=C2=A0
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoListParagraph><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:=
#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p
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</span></span></span=
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style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US'>The Fibaro forums are useful but not as mature
as=
the Micasaverde (Vera)
forums<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoListParag=
raph><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
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style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-US'>Even though the user interfaces are nice they are not
customisabl=
e. I believe you can use Roomie, NetIO or a simple webpage via the HTTP
API=
if this is needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
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style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New=
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'f=
ont-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>N=
o third party plug-ins allowed yet by Fibaro
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoListParagraph><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#=
1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p
class=3DM=
soListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo2'><![if=
!supportLists]><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>5)<span styl=
e=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span>=
<![endif]><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso=
-fareast-language:EN-US'>A problem for both the Fibaro and the Vera
there a=
re no I/O=E2=80=99s on the controllers, they are wireless only units,
hence=
good we have the HTTP API. In the future I may look at using some itach de=
vices. =E2=80=98</span><span
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",=
"sans-serif";color:#555555;background:white'>designed to
connect almost any=
electrical device to a network in a matter of
minutes=E2=80=99</span><span=
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-US'> =C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www.globalcache.com/products/itac=
h/"><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US'>http://www.globalcache.com/products/itach/</span></a><span
style=3D'fo=
nt-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span style=3D'font-family:=
"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sa=
ns-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Good luck with
you fina=
l choice, I would love to hear what you go for and your
experiences.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","san=
s-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-seri=
f";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Steve</span><span
style=3D'fon=
t-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;<br>=
&nbsp;<br>Kind Regards,
<br>_________________________________________&nbsp;=
&nbsp; <br>Steve Jones<br></span><a
href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx";><s=
pan
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0563C1'>email@stevejon=
es.org</span></a><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-f=
amily:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1=
E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN=
-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</sp=
an></b><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","=
sans-serif"'> ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] <br><b=
>Sent:</b> 19 April 2015 08:22<br><b>To:</b>
ukha_d@xxxxxxx<br><b>S=
ubject:</b> RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave
connectivi=
ty?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></p><div id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div id=
=3Dygrp-msg><div id=3Dygrp-text><div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks Steve=
,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal>You mentioned that you're going from
Vera to HC2.=
Which do you prefer? I'm guessing the
HC2?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><=
div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>Paul.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12=
.0pt'>_____________________________<br>From: Steve Jones <a
href=3D"mailto:=
email@xxxxxxx">email@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] &lt;<a
href=3D"mail=
to:ukha_d@xxxxxxx">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>&gt;<br>Sent:
Sunday, =
April 19, 2015 07:59<br>Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm
system w=
ith Z Wave connectivity?<br>To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
m">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>&gt;<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p
cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'=
><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNo=
rmal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
sty=
le=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi
Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
sty=
le=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'co=
lor:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-=
margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497=
D'>I can=E2=80=99t help you with advice on Z-Wave Alarm
systems.&nbsp; Howe=
ver, if you end up choosing the Fibaro Home Center 2 it has a built in
plug=
-in for a Satel Alarm System. I=E2=80=99m sure the Vera will have many
more=
plug-in options for alarms.&nbsp;
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'colo=
r:#1F497D'>The Fibaro is sadly lacking in plug-in=E2=80=99s, as
it=E2=80=99=
s not currently open to third party developers. Albeit it=E2=80=99s said
to=
be coming in the future.
</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal s=
tyle=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'=
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span
style=3D'color:#1F4=
97D'><br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;<br>Kind Regards,
<br>____________________________=
_____________&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>Steve
Jones</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div st=
yle=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm
0mm=
'><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto'><b><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><=
span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yaho=
ogroups.com">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoogrou=
ps.com">mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br><b>Sent:</b> 19 April 2015 0=
7:39<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@yahoogr=
oups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [ukha_d] Best wire
free alarm system with Z=
Wave
connectivity?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal s=
tyle=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto'>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div
id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div id=3Dygrp-msg>=
<div id=3Dygrp-text><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So as I'll be losing Comfort in the new
hou=
se, what wire-free alarm systems that have good Z Wave connectivity should
=
I be looking at? Not interested in a monitored system but something that
is=
reliable with battery powered PIRs etc. main panel can be mains powered of=
course.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-m=
argin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.=
0pt'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-to=
p-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Paul.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt=
'><br>On 16 Apr 2015, at 07:58, Paul Gale <a href=3D"mailto:groups2@silicon=
pixel.com">groups2@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:ukha=
_d@xxxxxxx">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>&gt;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><blockquote
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:au=
to'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks Steve
</span><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class=
=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><=
span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoN=
ormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
st=
yle=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Paul.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p
class=3DMsoNor=
mal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
styl=
e=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div
style=3D'borde=
r:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p
class=
=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><=
b><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
om">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>m=
ailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 16 April
2015 07:44<br><=
b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx<=
/a><br><b>Subject:</b> [ukha_d] Re: Best group/forum
for z wave and alarm a=
dvice?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-m=
argin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p
clas=
s=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><b=
r><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt=
:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href=3D"http://forum.fibaro.com/";>http=
://forum.fibaro.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal styl=
e=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href=3D"http://forum.micasaverde.com/";>http://forum=
.micasaverde.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>&nbsp;<br>Kind Regards,
<br>____________________=
_____<br>Steve Jones<br><a href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx";>email@steve=
jones.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-m=
argin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
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tom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin=
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height=
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alt=3D" "><o=
:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal styl=
e=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div><div>=
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