RE: Help to 'sell' me CBUS

[Paul Gordon <paul_gordon@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Remarkable how great minds think alike... (or is it "Fools seldom
differ"???)

I use the Saturn labelled keycaps, and a standard layout that coincides
with
what everyone else has described... ie. Top-left=main room light,
bottom-right=all off in that room, and thereafter as logical layout as I
can
contrive. For example in the kitchen, top-left=the ceiling lights, I also
have the usual under-cupboard lights on the wall units, well those are
"under" the ceiling lights, so on the Saturn, the switch for
those is
immediately under the main lights button... and so it goes on...

No-one so far has been unable to understand how to turn things on &
off....

Paul G.


-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Phillip Harris
Sent: 30 October 2010 22:25
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Help to 'sell' me CBUS


Also, I used to get asked about labelling switches and "How do you
know what
each switch does?"...

...my view on it is that you don't have labels on "normal" light
switches
and if you need labels on C-Bus switches then you've made it too
complicated. I generally do "Top Left gets you some lights on in a
room" and
"Bottom Right turns everything off in a room" and anything else
is just
window dressing.

Phil


On 30 Oct 2010, at 12:49, Phil Harris wrote:

> If you're Surrey then my mate has CBus in his place in Guildford ...
He
might be up for letting you take a look at his?
>
> Phil (ex-Schneider CBus UK tech support)
>
> Sent from another bloody fruit-based portable device...
>
> On 30 Oct 2010, at 09:12, "Brian Smith"
<briview@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback.  All good points and I agree that the
Saturn
>> switches are the nicest looking.  Have you looked at the DLT
versions
>> at all?  I wondered if they would be useful in increasing the
usage
>> of each button as (I think) the function could change depending on
>> conditions / button presses.  If you're not using DLTs, how do you
>> physically label each button with it's function?
>>
>> Also, can you elaborate on the functions you have buttons
configured
>> for? Ie if I bought the 6 button versions, do I configure each
button
>> as a scene (which I'm assuming would limit to 5 scenes and off) or
do
>> you have buttons that could allow you to cycle through scenes (as
I
>> have now on the Futronix unit).
>>
>> WRT overall control, I am definitely looking for something like
IPAD
>> control.  This would mainly be for music control of Squeezebox but
>> would also like to be able to integrate heating and lighting
control
>> too.  I have looked HomeSeer and HS Touch in the past but have yet
to
make a purchase.
>> Does this factor in to how you would use CBUS or just the
selection
>> of CBUS vs any other product?
>>
>> Another question from an installers perspective.  Having spoken to
my
>> sparky, he has not used CBUS but has used RAKO and is happy to
'give
>> it a go'.  Would you expect this to cause any issues?  If I do the
'design'
>> should the install and commissioning be straightforward between
us? I
>> wasn't sure if there were any installer only software / hardware
>> elements that would make it difficult without.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> PS.  Would love to come and see a demo but we are Surrey way so it
>> would be a bit of a punt unless we could lose the rugrats :-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Ben McCormack
>> Sent: 29 October 2010 21:19
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Help to 'sell' me CBUS
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> I have installed cbus so will try and give you my views.
>>
>> I initially based my decision on what switches looked best. At the
>> end of the day this is the bit that you interact with everyday. Of
>> all of the central lighting systems the cbus Saturns were the
nicest
>> and liked by my wife as well.
>>
>> I would suggest you work out how many circuits you plan to have in
total.
>> Personally if you are 8 or under I would suggest cbus will be
>> uneconomical and would look at Lutron or something similar - Note
I
>> have not done the calculations but thats my general feeling.
>>
>> We have large open plan rooms in the house. We have 10 zones in
the
>> lounge and cbus allows us to have multiple lighting configs
triggered
>> from multiple switches.
>>
>> It is the same setup in the kitchen with multiple zones.
>>
>> Cbus does link well to Comfort, I have the link but not made use
of
>> it yet.Planning to do all lights off when the Alarm is armed etc
etc.
>>
>> Also consider if you want to control the whole setup from a iPad
or
similar.
>> I have purchased a Pronto TSU9600 and currently playing with a
cbus
>> module that allows cbus control from the remote.
>>
>> Overall I have been very happy with cbus. It is not cheap but give
a
>> lot of functionality. Happy to give you a demo if you are around
hertfordshire.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On 29 Oct 2010, at 16:36, Brian Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Guys
>>>>
>>>> For years and years I have been promising myself that when
the
>> opportunity came I would go for a CBUS install but now that that
>> opportunity is here (from a two story rear and side extension) I'm
>> getting cold feet with regards to what I actually gain from it.
>>>>
>>>> I currently have a 4 channel dimmer module from Futronix
so like
>>>> the
>> functionality of a single button controlling pre-set levels on all
4
>> channels etc.  The extension plans will create a largely open plan
>> ground floor with living, dining and kitchen areas so I was
assuming
>> that CBUS would allow me to have multiple switch points (at entry
/
>> exit for example) that can set scenes throughout the whole space
but
>> the detail on what is possible with CBUS is a bit of a mystery to
me.
>>>>
>>>> So I was hoping a few kind souls on this list with
practical
>>>> experience
>> of cbus could describe the functionality they have created (mainly
>> with regard to lighting but I am also interested in heating and
audio
>> control) and whether it is all delivered with cbus or in
combination
>> with other kit like Comfort etc.  I just need a few examples of
real
>> world use really to hook onto and sell to the wife :-)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Brian
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