RE: Re: In ceiling speaker suggestions

["White, Peter" <peter.white@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

The Rockwool does a great job at killing the sound.  In my last (UK
self-bu=
ild) house I had 120mm of Rockwool in all of the ceilings, and no sound
rea=
lly got through.  It's very effective for the price, a lot cheaper than
spe=
cialist enclosures, plus you can just stuff it in.

Pete

From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of i=
anh1000
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:41 PM
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: [ukha_d] Re: In ceiling speaker suggestions



Thanks Peter, I appreciate the info.

Speakers at either end is a good idea but the joists go from side to side
s=
o getting the cables in could be a challenge there is a bathroom above and
=
I recently tiled the floor!

I was looking at some 10" Sonance speakers on Ebay but they went for a
litt=
le more than I was expecting.

I think I will need to use rockwool four sound damping as the sound
travels=
very well around our house. My office is above a wall mounted TV and I can=
hear it as clearly in my room as you can downstairs! (They don't make hous=
es like they used to).

Regards
Ian

--- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>,
"White, Pet=
er" <peter.white@...<mailto:peter.white@...>> wrote:
>
> Depending on how much effort (read: expense) you want to put into the
cei=
ling speakers, I think =A3300 will be plenty. In different houses I've
inst=
alled Sonace (13 pairs of them!), Kef and Yamaha, the former being, in
theo=
ry, the more expensive/better brands, but it reality it's so difficult to
t=
ell them apart. Audiophiles will no doubt disagree, but my view is that
the=
re's so many other factors that influence the audio ability of ceiling
spea=
kers, it's not worth spending a ton of money on them.
>
> I'm currently using Yamaha 8" speakers, link below (sorry, it's
from the =
US site, I'm a bit out of touch on where to look in the UK). These are
inst=
alled in a new American house (ie. appalling internal sound insulation),
so=
I'm in the process of stuffing Rockwool behind each of the speakers to pre=
vent sound leaking into the bedrooms above. Aside from that, they're
perfor=
ming well (linked to ZP100's).
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-NS-IW480CWH--Ceiling-Speaker-System/dp/B000O=
3TFWW/ref=3Dsr_1_2?s=3Delectronics&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1286222474&sr=3D1-2
>
> I have 2 installed in a room that's about 30' x 15', but nearer one
end t=
han the other, and I intend to install another pair at the opposite end.
My=
preference with distributed audio is that the sound should always be at a =
similar level as you walk through the house, rather than having 1 or 2
soun=
d sourced turned up loud to cover the same space. So eventually I'll get
sp=
eakers in every room again, but for now I think a pair of good 8"
speakers =
will do the job for you. If you have the choice, I would consider putting
2=
pairs in your kitchen/diner, but dual-wire them back to a single ZP120...i=
t just makes the sound source more subtle. Failing that, at least run the
c=
ables for adding a pair in the future. Note, that I mostly have the radio
o=
r various other streaming sources playing, so the music source is not the
h=
ighest quality possible, but if you intend to play something more pure,
you=
might want some higher-end speakers. The Yamaha's tend to be a little thin=
in the mid-range, but do a good job at the higher-end and on the bass. Of =
course, the cable you use will make a difference too....I think I just got
=
some 79-strand OFC from CPC, which did just fine. The locking clamps on
the=
speakers are a tad fragile, so never use a power tool to tighten them up, =
no matter how tired your arm is getting (I speak from experience). Also,
al=
ways drill a small pilot hole first, then poke a coat hanger through there
=
and spin it around, just to make sure you have space for the speaker
before=
carving out the big hole. Again, I speak from experience, in the sense of =
learning from your mistakes :)
>
> Pete
>
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:ukh=
a_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf Of ianh1000
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:46 PM
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [ukha_d] In ceiling speaker suggestions
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am looking to put some speakers in the ceiling of our kitchen/dining
ro=
om. I think the room is roughly 25' x 11'. I would probably have them
about=
a 1/3rd of the way down the room. I plan to use a Sonos ZP120 to drive the=
m.
>
> There seems to be a huge range availible, unlike normal speakers it is
ve=
ry hard to hear a demo to give me an idea of how much I should spend. Am I
=
going to get a good pair for =A3300 or do I need to spend more ?
>
> Also any suggestions on placement would be great, it is easy to move
norm=
al speakers about to get the best sound but you only get 1 crack at
cutting=
2 large holes in the ceiling.
>
> Thanks
> Ian
>
>
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