Re: Geovision-based system for social events capture

["A.Agiannidis" <besmart@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

hello Paul,

i think you are right about the multi shots...what you are suggesting is
indeed a viable solution...

and i would definitely consider sub-contracting or partnering with an
expert..

at this point however i need to put something forward quickly and i
expect to receive some feedback from the client and only then will i try
to pin it down to the final solution.

The client is not in the UK and he hasnt made up his mind yet for the
complete product.

there are 2 needs i need to address:
1. capture theatrical acts and burn dvds to sell to the parents. These
acts take place 2-3 times per year and are really amateur acts.
2. have the ability to capture business seminars and meetings if he is
asked to do so as a host...

Like all businessmen he wants with the same equipment to do both
jobs.....I think i will be gentle with him first and try to get him to a
point where his appetite for best quality will gradually grow :-)

Thanos

> Idiot proof - mmmm, not very likely!
>
> If you really need a multi camera solution i.e. a number of cameras in
locked-off shots and possibly a single operated camera for close-ups etc, I
think your best bet is to mix the programme live - there are a whole load
of vision mixers out there from the reasonably cheap to bloomin expensive!
Take a look at that basic vision mixer on the Focus page I sent earlier.
Titles etc could also be mixed live but this requires a fair bit of skill
and careful timing on the part of the operator. This is basically how all
news programmes are put together. I've visited a number of studios and it
always amazes me how much manual human control and interaction there is -
even with various automation systems available.
>
> With this, you'd need an operator throughout the show, live mixing
suitable shots - how easy this is and how much experience/training they
would need depends on the content and variability of the show - i.e. is it
always the same or is there an element of live interaction perhaps? Would
you need multiple shots - a single camera shot becomes VERY boring VERY
quickly!
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> This live mix could be burnt directly to DVD as the show progresses
and then replicated reasonably quickly thereafter, but menus etc would
depend on the machine in use.
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> If you were to go the capture/edit/titling/DVD authoring etc route,
I'd be pretty confident there's no chance at all that you could do this
within 10 minutes of show end! Maybe an hour or a bit less though...
>
> If there's any money in this project, it sounds like you need to get a
professional equipment supplier involved with good experience in that kind
of area.
>
> Paul.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of A.Agiannidis
>> Sent: 24 October 2007 14:43
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Geovision-based system for social events
capture
>>
>> Hello Paul, hello everyone,
>>
>> it is indeed a very interesting project mostly due to the fact
that its
>> mostly a business opportunity that a client wants to actively
pursue.
>> Even more interesting are the requirements of the solution.
>> *
>> Requirements*
>> Basically we are talking filming an event and then making its DVD
>> available to the audience as soon as the event finishes !
>>
>> For the DVD replication task we will opt for one of those devilish
>> looking 100 DVD replicators.
>>
>> Now the interesting part is mostly on the capturing....The client
needs
>> injection of prerecorded opening and closing titles, compilation
of the
>> DVD and burning in less than 10 minutes. *LOL!*
>>
>> Also he needs the equipment to be used by any non-expert,
non-trained
>> individual. *ROFL!*
>>
>> Finally he needs the quality to be decent! *LMAO
>> *
>> So even the simplest of solutions will do really...
>>
>> Now here is what i am about to suggest.
>>
>> *Solution 1:  Get 1 dvd player and one dvd recorder.
>> *
>> Before the event starts dvd player plays opening titles and dvd
>> recorder
>> records and gets paused.
>> When the event starts dvd recorder starts recording whatever the
video
>> feeds is.
>> When the event finishes, dvd player plays closing titles and dvd
>> recorder records (1 minute)
>> DVD recorder finalises disc in 1 minute.
>>
>> Then put the DVD into the replicator and burn 100 DVDs. Quickly
pack
>> them up and sell them out.
>>
>> Pros:
>> - no training required. Just normal VCR handling experience.
>> - cheap and availability of materials if anything breaks
>>
>> Cons:
>> - crappiest of ways to do things
>>
>>
>> *Solution 2:  Adobe suite*
>>
>> Pre-record opening and closing titles.
>> Use PC to record event. Pause recording and restart different
segments
>> of the event.
>> Use adobe premiere to re-arrange the titles and omit certain
>> recordings.
>> Use adobe to publish dvd.
>> Then put the DVD into the replicator and burn 100 DVDs. Quickly
pack
>> them up and sell them out.
>>
>> Pros:
>> - ability to create beautiful menus and optimal control over dvd
>> structure...addition of visual effects as well (fading in, out
etc)
>> - ability to export and sell downloadable .swfs
>> - ability to have material for later compilations
>> - adobe's optimal tools for mobile capturing and real time
filtering of
>> the video
>>
>> Cons: requires training
>>
>> Guys, feel free to brainstorm with ideas and also fill in my lists
of
>> pros and cons.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Thanos
>>
>>
>>> Ah I see - it's an interesting project.
>>>
>>> I run a video production company and we often record multi
camera
>>>
>> feeds from events (conferences etc) - but use single camera
dedicated
>> firewire HDD recorders (along with each cameras tape system as a
>> backup). Would be interesting to see what you could come up with
at the
>> cheaper end of the market (or home built!). If you're doing DVD's,
you
>> really do need to be recording at least DV quality from each
camera at
>> 25Mbps. A fast PC with good disks should be able to manage several
>> streams at once although size of storage is going to be a
>> consideration.
>>
>>> Paul.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
>>>>
>> Behalf
>>
>>>> Of A.Agiannidis
>>>> Sent: 24 October 2007 09:44
>>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Geovision-based system for social
events
>>>>
>> capture
>>
>>>> Thanks Paul! I think you are right...You see i already
have the
>>>> Geovision in place monitoring the place...so i have a
request to
>>>>
>> also
>>
>>>> use the camera feedback to also record dvds...I think i
will use a
>>>> pass-through to redirect the signal to another PC running
Adobe
>>>> Premiere
>>>> or something similar or straight to a dvd recorder...
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Thanos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Not done it - and I think not really suitable if you
want to edit
>>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>> reasonable quality as the pictures at 25fps would be far
too
>>>> compressed. Also the file structure would be difficult to
navigate
>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> get the clips you want (for long format production).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest a different HDD recording solution -
there are a
>>>>>
>> few
>>
>>>> out there in the broadcast world but they're likely to be
pretty
>>>> expensive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Behalf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Of A.Agiannidis
>>>>>> Sent: 22 October 2007 21:27
>>>>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [ukha_d] Geovision-based system for
social events capture
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was wondering if anyone has used a
geovision-based system to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> provide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> with a low-cost yet realistic approach to amateur
coverage of
>>>>>>
>> social
>>
>>>>>> events in places such as a small theatre or dance
hall....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would love to hear your opinions on choice of
cameras,
>>>>>> configurations,
>>>>>> audio input handling and most importantly video
editing...Any
>>>>>>
>> advice
>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> any shortcomings of such an approach?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any links to decent dvd authoring software? I am
looking for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> something
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> that will add pre-recorded video clips (such as
opening and
>>>>>>
>> closing
>>
>>>>>> scenes like acknowledges etc) to the main video
recordings...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>> Thanos
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