RE: Geovision-based system for social events capture

["Paul Gale" <groups2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Idiot proof - mmmm, not very likely!

If you really need a multi camera solution i.e. a number of cameras in
locked-off shots and possibly a single operated camera for close-ups etc, I
think your best bet is to mix the programme live - there are a whole load
of vision mixers out there from the reasonably cheap to bloomin expensive!
Take a look at that basic vision mixer on the Focus page I sent earlier.
Titles etc could also be mixed live but this requires a fair bit of skill
and careful timing on the part of the operator. This is basically how all
news programmes are put together. I've visited a number of studios and it
always amazes me how much manual human control and interaction there is -
even with various automation systems available.

With this, you'd need an operator throughout the show, live mixing suitable
shots - how easy this is and how much experience/training they would need
depends on the content and variability of the show - i.e. is it always the
same or is there an element of live interaction perhaps? Would you need
multiple shots - a single camera shot becomes VERY boring VERY quickly!

This live mix could be burnt directly to DVD as the show progresses and
then replicated reasonably quickly thereafter, but menus etc would depend
on the machine in use.

If you were to go the capture/edit/titling/DVD authoring etc route, I'd be
pretty confident there's no chance at all that you could do this within 10
minutes of show end! Maybe an hour or a bit less though...

If there's any money in this project, it sounds like you need to get a
professional equipment supplier involved with good experience in that kind
of area.

Paul.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of A.Agiannidis
> Sent: 24 October 2007 14:43
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Geovision-based system for social events capture
>
> Hello Paul, hello everyone,
>
> it is indeed a very interesting project mostly due to the fact that
its
> mostly a business opportunity that a client wants to actively pursue.
> Even more interesting are the requirements of the solution.
> *
> Requirements*
> Basically we are talking filming an event and then making its DVD
> available to the audience as soon as the event finishes !
>
> For the DVD replication task we will opt for one of those devilish
> looking 100 DVD replicators.
>
> Now the interesting part is mostly on the capturing....The client
needs
> injection of prerecorded opening and closing titles, compilation of
the
> DVD and burning in less than 10 minutes. *LOL!*
>
> Also he needs the equipment to be used by any non-expert, non-trained
> individual. *ROFL!*
>
> Finally he needs the quality to be decent! *LMAO
> *
> So even the simplest of solutions will do really...
>
> Now here is what i am about to suggest.
>
> *Solution 1:  Get 1 dvd player and one dvd recorder.
> *
> Before the event starts dvd player plays opening titles and dvd
> recorder
> records and gets paused.
> When the event starts dvd recorder starts recording whatever the video
> feeds is.
> When the event finishes, dvd player plays closing titles and dvd
> recorder records (1 minute)
> DVD recorder finalises disc in 1 minute.
>
> Then put the DVD into the replicator and burn 100 DVDs. Quickly pack
> them up and sell them out.
>
> Pros:
> - no training required. Just normal VCR handling experience.
> - cheap and availability of materials if anything breaks
>
> Cons:
> - crappiest of ways to do things
>
>
> *Solution 2:  Adobe suite*
>
> Pre-record opening and closing titles.
> Use PC to record event. Pause recording and restart different segments
> of the event.
> Use adobe premiere to re-arrange the titles and omit certain
> recordings.
> Use adobe to publish dvd.
> Then put the DVD into the replicator and burn 100 DVDs. Quickly pack
> them up and sell them out.
>
> Pros:
> - ability to create beautiful menus and optimal control over dvd
> structure...addition of visual effects as well (fading in, out etc)
> - ability to export and sell downloadable .swfs
> - ability to have material for later compilations
> - adobe's optimal tools for mobile capturing and real time filtering
of
> the video
>
> Cons: requires training
>
> Guys, feel free to brainstorm with ideas and also fill in my lists of
> pros and cons.
>
> Many thanks,
> Thanos
>
> > Ah I see - it's an interesting project.
> >
> > I run a video production company and we often record multi camera
> feeds from events (conferences etc) - but use single camera dedicated
> firewire HDD recorders (along with each cameras tape system as a
> backup). Would be interesting to see what you could come up with at
the
> cheaper end of the market (or home built!). If you're doing DVD's, you
> really do need to be recording at least DV quality from each camera at
> 25Mbps. A fast PC with good disks should be able to manage several
> streams at once although size of storage is going to be a
> consideration.
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> >> Of A.Agiannidis
> >> Sent: 24 October 2007 09:44
> >> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Geovision-based system for social
events
> capture
> >>
> >> Thanks Paul! I think you are right...You see i already have
the
> >> Geovision in place monitoring the place...so i have a request
to
> also
> >> use the camera feedback to also record dvds...I think i will
use a
> >> pass-through to redirect the signal to another PC running
Adobe
> >> Premiere
> >> or something similar or straight to a dvd recorder...
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> Thanos
> >>
> >>
> >>> Not done it - and I think not really suitable if you want
to edit
> in
> >>>
> >> reasonable quality as the pictures at 25fps would be far too
> >> compressed. Also the file structure would be difficult to
navigate
> to
> >> get the clips you want (for long format production).
> >>
> >>> I would suggest a different HDD recording solution -
there are a
> few
> >>>
> >> out there in the broadcast world but they're likely to be
pretty
> >> expensive.
> >>
> >>> Paul.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
> >>>>
> >> Behalf
> >>
> >>>> Of A.Agiannidis
> >>>> Sent: 22 October 2007 21:27
> >>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [ukha_d] Geovision-based system for social
events capture
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I was wondering if anyone has used a geovision-based
system to
> >>>>
> >> provide
> >>
> >>>> with a low-cost yet realistic approach to amateur
coverage of
> social
> >>>> events in places such as a small theatre or dance
hall....
> >>>>
> >>>> I would love to hear your opinions on choice of
cameras,
> >>>> configurations,
> >>>> audio input handling and most importantly video
editing...Any
> advice
> >>>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>>> any shortcomings of such an approach?
> >>>>
> >>>> Any links to decent dvd authoring software? I am
looking for
> >>>>
> >> something
> >>
> >>>> that will add pre-recorded video clips (such as
opening and
> closing
> >>>> scenes like acknowledges etc) to the main video
recordings...
> >>>>
> >>>> Many thanks,
> >>>> Thanos
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