Re: Electrisave - technology to return us to the dark ages ...

["b_weijenberg" <b_weijenberg@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

The RFXCOM USB X10/Oregon/KlikOn-KlikOff/Domia Light receiver is
able=20
to receive the Electrisave RF data. www.rfxcom.com=20

Some explination on the Electrisave versus the RFXPower:
The Electrisave measures the current of up to 3 phases. Using the=20
RFXCOM receiver the received data can be logged to the PC and the=20
data can be used to create graphs of the power usage.
In the standard Electrisave configuration the measured current will=20
transmitted to a display unit where the current (ampere) value is=20
multiplied by a fixed voltage parameter. It displays then the power=20
usage for that single moment. But the displayed power value is not=20
very accurate because the voltage is a fixed parameter in the display=20
unit while the real line voltage fluctuates a lot. So it is not a=20
real power usage meter but in fact an Ampere meter.

The RFXPower measures the real power of 1 phase by multiplying the=20
measured current times the measured voltage. The internal kWh counter=20
in the RFXPower unit is increment for each use of 10Watt and is=20
therefore comparable with the utility meter.
Connoleg has written software to show the power usage in Homeseer:=20
http://board.homeseer.com/showpost.php?p=3D759030&postcount=3D61=20

Bert


Here is an example trace of data received by the RFXCOM receiver from=20
X10, Domia Light, RFXPower, RFXSensor, Visonic (=3DBT VP1000) ,Oregon=20
sensors and the Electrisave:
50EA4C1027601650130000   THWR288N Water sensor CH 1 addr:27=20
temp:+16,6=B0C / 61,88=B0F bits=3D80=20
50EA4C1027601650130000   THWR288N Water sensor CH 1 addr:27=20
temp:+16,6=B0C / 61,88=B0F bits=3D80=20
3007F7C6E69201           RFXMeter addr:07F7/2039 RFXMeter: 9619174;=20=20
RFXPower: 96191,74 kWh;  RFXPower-Module: 9619,174 kWh bits=3D48=20
3007F7C6E69201           RFXMeter addr:07F7/2039 RFXMeter: 9619174;=20=20
RFXPower: 96191,74 kWh;  RFXPower-Module: 9619,174 kWh bits=3D48=20
3007F7C6E69201           RFXMeter addr:07F7/2039 RFXMeter: 9619174;=20=20
RFXPower: 96191,74 kWh;  RFXPower-Module: 9619,174 kWh bits=3D48=20
3007F7C6E69201           RFXMeter addr:07F7/2039 RFXMeter: 9619174;=20=20
RFXPower: 96191,74 kWh;  RFXPower-Module: 9619,174 kWh bits=3D48=20
500A4D100A802000002600   THR128   Inside Temp CH 1 addr:05 temp:+20,8=B0
C / 69,44=B0F bits=3D80=20
500A4D100A802000002600   THR128   Inside Temp CH 1 addr:05 temp:+20,8=B0
C / 69,44=B0F bits=3D80=20
20906F20DF               F1-Off bits=3D32=20
20906F20DF               F1-Off bits=3D32=20
20906F20DF               F1-Off bits=3D32=20
20906F20DF               F1-Off bits=3D32=20
503A0D00E014052020012D   STR918   Anemometer direction 51=B0 NE  speed=20
2 m/sec  2 Bft  av. speed 1,2 m/sec  1 Bft  battery 60% bits=3D80=20
503A0D00E0100520200129   STR918   Anemometer direction 51=B0 NE  speed=20
2 m/sec  2 Bft  av. speed 1,2 m/sec  1 Bft  battery 100% full bits=3D80=20
78EA00A3000000000D86FF5F1D601400  cent-a-meter addr:A3 counter:0=20
CT1:0 Ampere CT2:0 Ampere CT3:0 Ampere bits=3D120=20
503A0D00E0440520200130   STR918   Anemometer direction 54=B0 NE  speed=20
2 m/sec  2 Bft  av. speed 1,2 m/sec  1 Bft  battery 60% bits=3D80=20
503A0D00E040052020012C   STR918   Anemometer direction 54=B0 NE  speed=20
2 m/sec  2 Bft  av. speed 1,2 m/sec  1 Bft  battery 100% full bits=3D80=20
503A0D00E0440523200133   STR918   Anemometer direction 54=B0 NE  speed=20
2,3 m/sec  2 Bft  av. speed 1,2 m/sec  1 Bft  battery 60% bits=3D80=20
503A0D00E040052320012F   STR918   Anemometer direction 54=B0 NE  speed=20
2,3 m/sec  2 Bft  av. speed 1,2 m/sec  1 Bft  battery 100% full=20
bits=3D80=20
2C186B23161520           Digimax  addr:186B/27416 Temp>=3DSet Temp:22=20
Set:21 bits=3D44=20
2C186B23161520           Digimax  addr:186B/27416 Temp>=3DSet Temp:22=20
Set:21 bits=3D44=20
2C186B23161520           Digimax  addr:186B/27416 Temp>=3DSet Temp:22=20
Set:21 bits=3D44=20
50EA4C1027601650130000   THWR288N Water sensor CH 1 addr:27=20
temp:+16,6=B0C / 61,88=B0F bits=3D80=20
50EA4C1027601650130000   THWR288N Water sensor CH 1 addr:27=20
temp:+16,6=B0C / 61,88=B0F bits=3D80=20
500A4D100A902000002700   THR128   Inside Temp CH 1 addr:05 temp:+20,9=B0
C / 69,62=B0F bits=3D80=20
500A4D100A902000002700   THR128   Inside Temp CH 1 addr:05 temp:+20,9=B0
C / 69,62=B0F bits=3D80=20
78EA04A35200000018FAFF5F9D60540A  cent-a-meter addr:A3 counter:4=20
CT1:8,2 Ampere CT2:0 Ampere CT3:0 Ampere bits=3D120=20
501A2D10A42115702536D0   THGR228N Inside Temp-Hygro CH 1 addr:A4=20
temp:+15,2=B0C / 59,36=B0F hum:57 Normal  bits=3D80=20
501A2D10A42115702536D0   THGR228N Inside Temp-Hygro CH 1 addr:A4=20
temp:+15,2=B0C / 59,36=B0F hum:57 Normal  bits=3D80=20
503A0D00E0640723000236   STR918   Anemometer direction 76=B0 ENE  speed=20
2,3 m/sec  2 Bft  av. speed 2 m/sec  2 Bft  battery 60% bits=3D80=20
503A0D00E0600723000232   STR918   Anemometer direction 76=B0 ENE  speed=20
2,3 m/sec  2 Bft  av. speed 2 m/sec  2 Bft  battery 100% full bits=3D80=20
3008F809C60005           RFXMeter addr:08F8/2296 RFXMeter: 2502;=20=20
RFXPower: 25,02 kWh;  RFXPower-Module: 2,502 kWh bits=3D48=20
3008F809C60005           RFXMeter addr:08F8/2296 RFXMeter: 2502;=20=20
RFXPower: 25,02 kWh;  RFXPower-Module: 2,502 kWh bits=3D48=20
3008F809C60005           RFXMeter addr:08F8/2296 RFXMeter: 2502;=20=20
RFXPower: 25,02 kWh;  RFXPower-Module: 2,502 kWh bits=3D48=20
3008F809C60005           RFXMeter addr:08F8/2296 RFXMeter: 2502;=20=20
RFXPower: 25,02 kWh;  RFXPower-Module: 2,502 kWh bits=3D48=20
20906F20DF               F1-Off bits=3D32=20
20906F20DF               F1-Off bits=3D32=20
20906F20DF               F1-Off bits=3D32=20
20906F20DF               F1-Off bits=3D32=20
29D1DE847B5480           Visonic or DS10/90  Normal addr:D1DE=20
54/31627 bits=3D41=20
29D1DE847B5480           Visonic or DS10/90  Normal addr:D1DE=20
54/31627 bits=3D41=20
29D1DE847B5480           Visonic or DS10/90  Normal addr:D1DE=20
54/31627 bits=3D41=20
29D1DE847B5480           Visonic or DS10/90  Normal addr:D1DE=20
54/31627 bits=3D41=20
29D1DE847B5480           Visonic or DS10/90  Normal addr:D1DE=20
54/31627 bits=3D41=20
2024D40AE0               RFXSensor  addr:24D4/9428 Temp:10,875 =BAC=20
bits=3D32=20
2024D40AE0               RFXSensor  addr:24D4/9428 Temp:10,875 =BAC=20
bits=3D32=20

--- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "kw1816" <kw1816@...> wrote:
>
> Taking tongue out of cheek for a minute,
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> It's actually a really usefull bit of kit - especially as I managed=20
> to get one for a steal (=A320 - ebay !) and it does make you think=20
> about how much electricity is being used. I'm pleased to report=20
that=20
> so far Node 0 and associated equipment has an exemption :-)
> Missus likes the touchscreens too much !!!
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> Just waiting to see how the PC interface projects works out, to be=20
> able to get data into Homeseer would be a big bonus. She-who-pays-
> the-bills being a financial analyst she likes charts ......
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> Kevin W.
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> --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "Phil Harris" <phil@> wrote:
> >
> >=20
> > > As a result of which we're now reduced to living in a=20
> > > twilight world at night, lit only by the odd single lamp.
All=20
> > > forms of electrically powered entertainment are suffering
a=20
> > > similar fate but domestic appliances such a washing
machines,=20
> > > irons etc seem CURIOUSLY unaffected ......
> >=20
> > Well at least she's still using the right tools ... That's one=20
> bonus.
> >=20=20
> > > Has anyone experienced anything like this, and crucially,
how=20
> > > long does it last ????
> >=20
> > Depends on the staying power of the particular female ...
Usually=20
> not long -
> > I was going to suggest pointing out how much the iron /
washing=20
> machine cost
> > to run but on second thoughts maybe best not to...
> >=20
> > Phil
> >
>