Re: New X10 modules from Hong Kong - PLC with X10?

["garygfx" <garygfx@xxxxxxxxx>]

Marcus, that's good advice. I will switch off the mains ring via the
consumer unit to see if X10 signals can be picked up better on the
lighting ring. Fortunately my "node 0" is on a separate RCD so
I'd
still be able to inject X10 commands into the powerline.

The email I received from Kevin Lo (the HG X10/PLC supplier)
suggests his PLC units can receive both X10 and PLC, but I'm only
guessing as his English is sometimes hard to understand. I don't
have a PLC transmitter so I can't test it.

Gary

--- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, Marcus Warrington <marcusw@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the link, but now I'm even more confused..
>
> Is the PLC-BUS different from the X10(2) stuff.. Or is
> that just a different name for the same thing ? The comparison
> table is certainly against the "old" X10 spec.
>
> Anyway, good to hear your making progress :)
> I had an LW10 for a short time (before moving to LD11's) and found
> it very susceptible to interference/noise. In one room it would
turn
> on a light but never off. Have you tried switching off all the
sockets
> in the house (via the consumer unit trip switch) and testing
again ?
> This may help isolate if some piece of equipment is causing the
problem.
>
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of garygfx
> Sent: 07 July 2006 00:40
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [ukha_d] Re: New X10 modules from Hong Kong - PLC with
X10?
>
>
> Marcus, the X10 (2nd gen) modules I have from Hong Kong are 240v,
> full UK spec and CE approved. They are supposed to have a built-in
> filter and are more sensitive to X10 commands in the powerline.
>
> Difference between PLC and X10: http://x10-
> hk.com/store/article_info.php?articles_id=4
>
> Even though my modules have PLC part numbers I'm not sure if they
> really are PLC compatible as at least the wall switch is now
> responding to X10 commands which a PLC modules wouldn't normally
do.
>
> I think my house's electrics are at fault here. I removed
> the "faulty" PLC-2222 wall switch from downstairs and
swapped it
> around with a working LW10 wall switch from upstairs. The LW10
> failed to work downstairs (no response to X10) and the PLC-2222
> actually responded to X10 when it was installed upstairs.
>
> My house isn't that big (about 10m x 10m) so it's not like the
> signals have far to go. I'm wondering if a repeater module will
> help - http://x10-hk.com/store/product_info.php?
> cPath=21_29&products_id=75 - but if the signals are having trouble
> going into the downstairs lighting ring I'm not sure would good
that
> would do?
>
> I must say that the dimming of the new X10 wall switch is
excellent,
> much smoother than the LW10 and of course looks 10x better!
>
> Gary
>
> --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, Marcus Warrington <marcusw@> wrote:
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > If you have been sent the PLC units instead of the X10 are they
> 240v or
> > 110v ?
> >
> > If they're 240v then this means we have an alternative to X10
> available
> > in the UK. :)
> >
> > If this is the case then, what are the benefits of using PLC over
> X10..
> > hopefully the
> > answer will be speed and status response :)
> >
> >
> > 	Marcus
> >
> > 	 -----Original Message-----
> > 	From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of garygfx
> > 	Sent: 06 July 2006 15:08
> > 	To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > 	Subject: [ukha_d] Re: New X10 modules from Hong Kong - PLC
> with
> > X10?
> >
> >
> >
> > 	Jon, do your new X10 modules have a model number starting
> with
> > X10-
> > 	xxxx or PLC-xxxx? Kevin tells me that the ones starting with
> > PLC-
> > 	xxxx will work with X10 signals. I don't wish to disagree as
> he's
> > 	the expert and has been very helpful.
> >
> > 	I know the wall switch and micromodule are going into setup
> mode
> >
> > 	because the lights or LED will change to indicate it's ready
> for
> >
> > 	programming.
> >
> > 	I will replace the new wall switch with an old but working
> LW10
> > to
> > 	see if it picks up the X10 commands. That should resolve the
> query.
> >
> > 	Thanks all,
> > 	Gary.
> >
> > 	--- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > , Jon Payne <jgpayne@> wrote:
> > 	>
> > 	> That was my understanding too, there are two versions:
> > 	> * PLC - faster, status response etc, but incompatible with
> X10
> > 	> * X10 - as it says
> > 	>
> > 	> So yes, looks like you've been sent the wrong modules. I
> got a
> >
> > 	couple of X10 modules from him - working great.
> > 	>
> > 	> jon
> > 	>
> > 	> ----- Original Message ----
> > 	> From: garygfx <garygfx@>
> > 	> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > 	> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2006 1:50:09 AM
> > 	> Subject: [ukha_d] New X10 modules from Hong Kong - PLC with
> X10?
> > 	>
> > 	>
> > 	> Hi. I've received a nice mix of the "2nd
generation" X10
> > modules
> > 	> from HK and am having a bit of trouble with them.
> http://x10-
> > 	> hk.com/store/index.php?cPath=21 (Under manual control they
> work
> > 	> well, the wall switches look great and I love the subtle
> blue
> > glow)
> > 	>
> > 	> Unfortunately they don't respond to X10 commands. The
> reseller
> > has
> > 	> been very good and is trying to diagnose the problem, but I
> need
> > 	to
> > 	> know what the technical difference is between X10 and PLC?
> > 	>
> > 	> My understanding is that X10 and PLC both use the powerline
> > but
> > 	the
> > 	> commands aren't directly compatible. I read that a special
> > module
> > 	is
> > 	> required to be installed on the powerline to convert X10 to
> > PLC
> > 	and
> > 	> PLC to X10 to enable each type of unit to respond to the
> other
> >
> > 	> protocol. Can anyone confirm that?
> > 	>
> > 	> The modules I received all have a model number starting
> with
> > "PLC-
> > 	> xxxx" written on them. If PLC modules can't accept X10
> > commands
> > 	then
> > 	> that would explain the problem but I'd like someone to
> confirm
> >
> > 	that
> > 	> please? It sounds like I was sent PLC modules by mistake
> > instead
> > 	of
> > 	> X10 as I can't offer any other explanation as to why they
> > don't
> > 	> respond to X10 commands when my older X10 modules plugged
> in
> > 	nearby
> > 	> work okay.
> > 	>
> > 	> Thanks,
> > 	> Gary.
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