RE: [OT] Friday dilemma...

["Phil Harris" <phil@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thing is, every company I have worked for *HAS* opened mail and it's always
been accepted at those places that it happens ...

Phil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Barrett [mailto:dean@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 03 September 2004 21:18
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] [OT] Friday dilemma...
>
> Phil
>
> My argument which is probably flawed is that his name and my
> company's name on the letter makes it my business.
>
> Personally hand written to him - totally different matter.
>
> Unfortunately there are a number of companies that have taken
> to sending circular crap with P & C on the cover.
>
>
>
> Dean.
>
>
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> From: Phil Harris [mailto:phil@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 03 September 2004 20:39
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] [OT] Friday dilemma...
>
>
>
> If it's snail mail then I think that it is technically illegal to open
> anything that has *HIS* name on it. We had a similar
> situation at my old
> company and I believe that they got their knuckles rapped for
> opening post -
> the reason I say that I believe they did is that an
> ex-employee decided to
> kick up stink over his post being opened and it all got
> solicitors involved
> and suddenly we heard no more ... Typically if the company
> "won" in such a
> situation then we'd hear all about it.
>
> Phil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dean Barrett [mailto:dean@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 03 September 2004 20:11
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] [OT] Friday dilemma...
> >
> > Thanks Neil.
> >
> > This is actually snail mail rather than electronic.
> >
> > I will be implementing policy to deal with the electronic
> > version. This time its physical paper were dealing with.
> >
> > To date i'm unaware of any mail arriving that i've seen that
> > is of a personal nature. I certainly dont believe its luvver
> > stuff, as his wife is complaining about the mail being opened
> > too, as she works for him !!
> >
> > The succession plan is coming along nicely, he's being
> > trained up at the moment :)
> >
> > Perhaps i have to much of a supsicious mind, but i hate to
> > think of people hiding things from me a work.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dean.
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: Neil Fuller [mailto:neil@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 03 September 2004 20:00
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] [OT] Friday dilemma...
> >
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > I'm no lawyer but if this guy is using company provided
> > bandwidth to carry
> > out personal business, I think you are quite right to take
> > issue with that.
> >
> > However, as you say, it is a dilemma because if the employee
> > does generate
> > substantial business, probably the last thing you want to do
> > is alienate him
> > to the extent that he leaves.
> >
> > It's not unreasonable for him to realise that *any* mail
> > coming in to the
> > company, via the company provided connection can be deemed to
> > be company
> > business. The difficulty for you is how to explain that to him.
> >
> > We all take company provided bandwidth for granted but
> > stealing bandwidth
> > and carrying on personal business across that connection is
> > no different to
> > someone picking up the voice 'phone and having long chats
> > with friends.
> > Maybe explaining it to him using that analogy might work.
> >
> > A question for you to ask yourself - Why are you concerned
> > about this? Are
> > you worried that he may be passing on Co confidential info?
> > Is he looking
> > for another position or are the messages from a *luvver*
> that he would
> > prefer no one knew about!! OTOH, if it's just to make a
> > point, is its really
> > worth all the ill feeling that this confrontation will elicit?
> >
> > If it's the luvver scenario, he's just plain stoopid and
> > should carry on his
> > personal business in a more private manner - Tell him so!!!!!
> >
> > Good luck on this one coz it is a tough call, especially if
> > its a valued
> > member of the team.
> >
> > Finally, if this chap is so valuable, have you got a
> > succession plan in
> > place to replace him when he retires?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Neil
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dean Barrett" <dean@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:26 PM
> > Subject: [ukha_d] [OT] Friday dilemma...
> >
> >
> > > This is probably quite contentious depending on where you
> > look at it from.
> > >
> > > I'm having trouble with a guy at work complaining that we
> > are opening mail
> > > that is address private and confidential.
> > >
> > > He has Director status in name only, and as MD I have
> > informed him that I
> > > have a right to view any mail relating to company business
> > that arrives at
> > > the premises. He informs me that this is illegal...
> > >
> > > The question is - am I right ???
> > >
> > > I become immediately suspicious of anyone that believes I
> > cannot see mail
> > > relating to my company. I will conceed that the girl
> > opening mail should
> > not
> > > open letters marked Private and Confidential, she however
> > informs me she
> > > never has done. Due to our fairly small size I see all
> mail when it
> > arrives.
> > >
> > > This guy is particularly argumentative, and I'm sure its
> > age related (60),
> > > he has never been comfortable with me running things, but
> > he does generate
> > a
> > > large portion of our revenue so I have to tread fairly
> > carefully. Some
> > > relief comes from the fact that he's only got a couple of
> years till
> > > retirement though :)
> > >
> > > I'm keen not to back down, but by the same token don't want
> > to end up in a
> > > situation where words like illegal, and tribunal make
surface.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions appreciated...
> > >
> > > I love work - I spend all day with people that act like
> > kids, then get
> > home
> > > to deal with real ones :(
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dean.
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