RE: [OT] Friday dilemma...

["Sullivan, Glenn" <gsullivan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

D'oh... That is supposed to read:
"But are you suggesting that, in the UK (or NI, if that's where you
are... I forget where y'all are from) that an EMPLOYER does not have the
right to open mail that is addressed to his building? "

Sorry...

Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I  MCDBA
David Clark Company Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sullivan, Glenn [mailto:gsullivan@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:30 PM
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] [OT] Friday dilemma...

But are you suggesting that, in the UK (or NI, if that's where you
are... I forget where y'all are from) that an employee does not have the
right to open mail that is addressed to his building?  Or was that the
purpose of your original post... To ascertain whether that was within
your rights?

What happens if the guy quits?  Can you open the mail then?

I understand the concept of "Employee rights" but I also advocate
the
concept of
"If-you-don't-like-the-rules-start-your-own-damn-company"

But I guess I wouldn't even last as a business owner here... I'd
probably be breaking UK and US laws!

Sorry your between such a rock and a hard place... My sympathies...

Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I  MCDBA
David Clark Company Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Barrett [mailto:dean@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:11 PM
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] [OT] Friday dilemma...

Thanks Neil.

This is actually snail mail rather than electronic.

I will be implementing policy to deal with the electronic version. This
time its physical paper were dealing with.

To date i'm unaware of any mail arriving that i've seen that is of a
personal nature. I certainly dont believe its luvver stuff, as his wife
is complaining about the mail being opened too, as she works for him !!

The succession plan is coming along nicely, he's being trained up at the
moment :)

Perhaps i have to much of a supsicious mind, but i hate to think of
people hiding things from me a work.




Dean.



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From: Neil Fuller [mailto:neil@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 03 September 2004 20:00
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] [OT] Friday dilemma...


Dean

I'm no lawyer but if this guy is using company provided bandwidth to
carry out personal business, I think you are quite right to take issue
with that.

However, as you say, it is a dilemma because if the employee does
generate substantial business, probably the last thing you want to do is
alienate him to the extent that he leaves.

It's not unreasonable for him to realise that *any* mail coming in to
the company, via the company provided connection can be deemed to be
company business. The difficulty for you is how to explain that to him.

We all take company provided bandwidth for granted but stealing
bandwidth and carrying on personal business across that connection is no
different to someone picking up the voice 'phone and having long chats
with friends.
Maybe explaining it to him using that analogy might work.

A question for you to ask yourself - Why are you concerned about this?
Are
you worried that he may be passing on Co confidential info? Is he
looking for another position or are the messages from a *luvver* that he
would prefer no one knew about!! OTOH, if it's just to make a point, is
its really worth all the ill feeling that this confrontation will
elicit?

If it's the luvver scenario, he's just plain stoopid and should carry on
his personal business in a more private manner - Tell him so!!!!!

Good luck on this one coz it is a tough call, especially if its a valued
member of the team.

Finally, if this chap is so valuable, have you got a succession plan in
place to replace him when he retires?

Regards

Neil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Barrett" <dean@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:26 PM
Subject: [ukha_d] [OT] Friday dilemma...


> This is probably quite contentious depending on where you look at it
from.
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> I'm having trouble with a guy at work complaining that we are opening
mail
> that is address private and confidential.
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> He has Director status in name only, and as MD I have informed him
that I
> have a right to view any mail relating to company business that
arrives at
> the premises. He informs me that this is illegal...
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> The question is - am I right ???
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> I become immediately suspicious of anyone that believes I cannot see
mail
> relating to my company. I will conceed that the girl opening mail
should
not
> open letters marked Private and Confidential, she however informs me
she
> never has done. Due to our fairly small size I see all mail when it
arrives.
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> This guy is particularly argumentative, and I'm sure its age related
(60),
> he has never been comfortable with me running things, but he does
generate
a
> large portion of our revenue so I have to tread fairly carefully. Some
> relief comes from the fact that he's only got a couple of years till
> retirement though :)
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> I'm keen not to back down, but by the same token don't want to end up
in a
> situation where words like illegal, and tribunal make surface.
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> Any suggestions appreciated...
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> I love work - I spend all day with people that act like kids, then get
home
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