Re: Re: [EXTREMELY OT] White tie

[Ho Yin Ng <yahoogroups@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mark,

Thanks for that .. yes I have checked it is definitely white tie ..

It is for a wedding in Sweden, and apparently they are all like this? Can
anyone confirm?

I am going to go down to Oxfam and the like on Kings Road, Kensington etc .
there are probably some people chucking them out.

However I am a very thin Chinese person so I have a feeling I might have
difficulty in sourcing the right size clothing.

Humm yes the shoes bit worries me as well .. patent leather .. v shiny ..
will I ever wear them again?

As for bow ties ... This I have no problem with .. I can tie one easily ..
I have worn a black one many a time.

How much does the whole white tie attire set you back money wise?

Many thanks for all the info.

Ho Yin

At 20:50 19/05/2004, you wrote:
>--- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, Ho Yin Ng <yahoogroups@h...> wrote:
> > Anyone know of anywhere were I can get secondhand "white
tie" attire?
>
>Yes.
>
> > Preferably in London at rock bottom prices?
>
>No :-(
>
>The Oxfam in Broad Street, Oxford used to be a vaguely reliable source
>of such things second-hand. I assume that there'll be something
>similar in Cambridge. Not sure you'd consider either of these easy to
>get to, mind.
>
>Bear in mind, however, that White Tie is, erm, obscure these days. It
>comes up a lot less often than Black Tie.
>
>Check who wrote the invitation. Specifically, check whether they are
>American! Our cousins across the pond use slightly different
>terminonology, and you may find that Black Tie (aka dinner jacket aka
>black tuxedo) is acceptable rather than what we would call "White
>Tie". Note further that the English "White Tie" is
_completely_
>different from a White Tuxedo.
>
>Also, check whether you actually want a Morning Suit. This is very
>commonly confused with White Tie, but a lot easier to get hold of.
>
>Rental of Morning Suits from Moss Bross is possible, but you will need
>to book (and if you are wanting to rent for a day like Royal Ascot,
>when everyone wants, you will need to book WELL in advance.)
>
>If I were buying, then I'd try Gieves and Hawkes. Not because it's
>cheap, but because you will only need to buy once, for your whole
>life, and for that matter, for the lives of your sons. Either at the
>"original shop" in Saville Row, or (if you're a cheapskate
like me) at
>one of their Factory Outlet shops in Gunwharf Key (Portsmouth) or
>Bicester Village (Bicester.) I find that the Portsmouth outlet tends
>to have a better range of formalware, with the Bicester one better for
>coats and shirts.
>
>Don't forget shoes. White tie is NOT worn with leather shoes. You have
>only one choice - patent leather (the REALLY REALLY shiney thing) with
>black ribbon laces. Black Tie _is_ worn with normal leather shoes, as
>is Morning Dress.
>
>Finally, White Tie means wing collars, and that means REAL bow-ties,
>not fake ones. It's not difficult to learn to do - but if you're not
>used to it, practice in advance. Tie Rack has a good handout sheet on
>how to pull it off. The secret is DON'T use a mirror - it's actually
>far easier to get right by FEEL than by SIGHT, and looking in a mirror
>actually makes things harder.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mark, who really CAN tell the difference between Black Tie, White Tie,
>Morning Dress and Sub Fusc at 50 paces.
>
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