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Re: EIB installation



> Sounds fun connecting 3phase over there :)

Havent been caught out yet .....always check if someone else has wired the
3
phase plugs....

> Trouble with us changing colour is that i've got 100 Tons of Twin and
Earth
> cable with Red and Black cores - gonna have to start moving that over
the
> next year :)

Thats a lot of cable!!!!!.......

Couple of years ago they changed the outer sheath on the tps...it use to be
pretty thick..Now its so thin you would think that the 2.5 t+e is lighting
....same in the UK ??


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Barrett" <dean@rolec.net>
To: <ukha_d@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] EIB installation


> Yep thats the same argument from the IEE here - possiblility of 2
2.5mm
> radials both running @ 32amps potentially.
>
> Sounds fun connecting 3phase over there :)
>
> Our 3phase colours will be changing too - cant remember what they'll
be
but
> i think it involves black, grey, white, blue - something like that....
>
> Trouble with us changing colour is that i've got 100 Tons of Twin and
Earth
> cable with Red and Black cores - gonna have to start moving that over
the
> next year :)
>
>
>
> Dean.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:fmcalind@xxxxxxx]
>   Sent: 17 January 2004 11:46
>   To: ukha_d@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [ukha_d] EIB installation
>
>
>   Hi Dean
>
>   > Wiring will evolve over time. - IEE are currently considering
the
>   > replacement of Ring Main circuits with Radials for Sockets
which is
> common
>   > in other countries.
>
>   This is how its done in Australia.....I recall many years ago asking
the
>   electrical inspector why they didnt use the ring main system as in
the
>   UK...(since the aussie standards were based on the british standards
iee
>   regs) and he told me that if an active (live) or neutral  somewhere
in
the
>   ring broke for whatever reason you then had the possibility of
supplying
> 30
>   amps via one of the now 2 radial circuits............fair comment
>
>   > Also not long now till we go Brown & Blue in our Twin &
Earth cable -
>   > that'll cause some confusion to the do-it-yourself'ers down at
B&Q :)
>   >
>
>   Ok what about this one...........Here we use orange circular cable
for
>   industrial wiring....red white blue for phase black neutral and
> green/yellow
>   earth.......Now the Aust standards state that in a flexible cable
blue
is
>   neutral.....so when sparkies wire suspended 3 phase outlets they are
> suppose
>   to join the (fixed wirng orange circ ) black (neutral) to the
suspended
> flex
>   blue (neutral) and vise versa .......Of course lots put black to
black
and
>   blue to blue...........
>
>
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Dean Barrett" <dean@rolec.net>
>   To: <ukha_d@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:34 PM
>   Subject: RE: [ukha_d] EIB installation
>
>
>   > Like your thinking :)
>   >
>   > We have just completed a couple of properties - where lighting
for
>   > Lounge/Dining etc. is wired in a 'star' topology back to an
enclosure
>   filled
>   > with Klippon connectors, and fed from a single MCB. This is
totally
>   > transparent to the end user and any competent electrician would
have
no
>   > problem dealing with this.
>   >
>   > Wiring will evolve over time. - IEE are currently considering
the
>   > replacement of Ring Main circuits with Radials for Sockets
which is
> common
>   > in other countries.
>   >
>   > Also not long now till we go Brown & Blue in our Twin &
Earth cable -
>   > that'll cause some confusion to the do-it-yourself'ers down at
B&Q :)
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Dean.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
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>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: Paul Gordon [mailto:paul_gordon@xxxxxxx]
>   >   Sent: 17 January 2004 10:24
>   >   To: ukha_d@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Subject: RE: [ukha_d] EIB installation
>   >
>   >
>   >   I Was thinking this too....
>   >
>   >   Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was always of the belief that
the
> *only*
>   >   reason that a ring circuit was/is the "standard" in
this country
> was/is
>   >   because it uses the least amount of cable, and housebuilders
are
>   >   tight-arses?....
>   >
>   >   Isn't it true to say that a star wiring topology would be
"superior"
> to
>   a
>   >   ring topology in just about every practical way?
>   >
>   >   - absolutely "standard" switching operation is
possible
>   >   - much better granularity of isolation of sockets/switches
etc. is
>   > possible
>   >   - more flexible switching schemes are possible
>   >
>   >   Downsides? - well a home run from every point
(switch/socket/light
>   > fitting)
>   >   uses quite a bit more twin & earth, and you end up with
significantly
>   more
>   >   ends to acommodate at the consumer unit.
>   >
>   >   but just envisage how much more flexible it would be to
effectively
> have
>   >   *every* single electrical outlet in the house on it's own
circuit -
>   which
>   > of
>   >   course you could do if you wanted to, but if the cost of all
those
> extra
>   >   MCB's is too much then there's also the ability to gang lots
of
those
>   > wires
>   >   together at the CU to make a more "conventional"
arrangement that
>   > resembles
>   >   several ring circuits...
>   >
>   >   The bottom line is, if you do a star wiring arrangement, it's
> perfectly
>   >   possible & easy to make it operate *exactly* the same as
a ring main
> if
>   > you
>   >   want to, such that from a user perspective they wouldn't know
the
>   >   difference.... 1 switch operates 1 light fitting, and the CU
has
>   breakers
>   >   for (for example) Upstairs lights, upstairs sockets,
downstairs
> lights,
>   >   downstairs sockets, kitchen, shower, etc.... only an
electrician
would
>   > know
>   >   anything was different, and then if each cable end is
adequately
>   labelled
>   > at
>   >   the CU, then any idiot who can read ought to be able to
figure it
>   out....
>   >
>   >   I'd just do it and not tell her... ;-)
>   >
>   >   Just my amateur opinions of course, and totally unqualified
to offer
>   > advice
>   >   on anything electrical... (but I'm still alive!)
>   >
>   >
>   >   Paul G.
>   >
>   >
>   >   >>
>   >   >Just before I dive in with some comments, what exactly do
you mean
> when
>   > you
>   >   >talk about "standard" wiring. If you wire for
A.N.Other hardwired
>   system;
>   >   >CBus, Polaron etc. you can revert to standard switches
& sockets by
>   >   >removing your intelligent, centrally-located kit and
replacing with
>   >   >connecting blocks (for want of a better description).
>   >   >
>   >   >Or, if it's really a problem, run two lots of mains
cables (e.g.
CBus
>   and
>   >   >'standard' configurations) and only connect up the second
lot when
> you
>   > come
>   >   >to sell.
>   >   >
>   >
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