Re: Re[4]: New Regs to kill DIY HA?

["Andrew Barron" <andlard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Really my concern is what I'm still going to be allowed to do without the=
hassle and expense of getting certification.=20

The part P document states work that need not be notified to building con=
trol bodies, in this table it mentions Kitchens along with special
location=
s, however, a kitchen is not a special location as defined in BS7671 (16th
=
edition regs) and if it was included there would be no socket outlets
withi=
n 3.6metres of your sink!!!!!

I currently have no paperwork certifying the electical installation in th=
e house or outside it. It was rewired before I bought it and there are
stil=
l some minor faults (e.g. round pin light sockets not working) - can I fix
=
these?. I have added some centre ceiling lights, and armoured cable to
gard=
en lighting, greenhouses and (unoccupied ) shed.=20

Fix 'em quick, between Xmas and new year I suggest!

My kitchen question relates to the fact that I need to install a power po=
int in the same "room" but at a distance of several metres from
any kitchen=
like fittings or appliances.It seems that in fully open plan houses, the i=
nterpretation could go either way - the whole house is a kitchen or only
th=
at area which was used as a kitchen. What about a kitchen without doors,
wh=
ere does that stop?

As your new socket is more than 3.6metres from your kitchen sink you shou=
ld be OK and you can do this after Jan 2005 providing the circuits
protecti=
ve measures are unaffected.

On the garden lighting I have several IP65 boxes in a daisy chain of mult=
icore armoured cable. This is run back to an RDC spur unit via 15A
"light" =
switches. Can I a) extend the armoured cable run or b) alter the
connection=
s of lights into the IP65 boxes - these currently include low voltage rock
=
lights and 160W flood lights.

Garden power and lighting in table 2 of Part P document is a special loca=
tion and needs to be certified, sorry.

I have also not quite finished putting lights and power points into the b=
arn/shed/workshop, can I add these to that RCD protected spur?

Out buildings are considered part of the complete electrical installation=
and are therefore covered under BS7671 and Part P, they do not come under =
special locations unless you keep livestock in them, a bath, shower,
swimmi=
ng or paddling pool, sauna, or have electric floor or ceiling heating
syste=
m, a stand-by generator. You can add to them provided the circuits
protecti=
ve measures are unaffected.

Or am I going to have a busy time in the next two weeks?

I hope you do find time to relax and enjoy your Xmas, Part P is coming bu=
t as said before by listers how will this be policed. If you are
comfortabl=
e terminating SWA to IP65 boxes my guess is you know more than most
buildin=
g inspectors who are being lumbered with the consequences of Part P.
Part P has been an expense and a pain to me for the last few months, I've=
heard lots of stories from customers showing how badly it has been introdu=
ced. I have been working to BS7671, the 16th edition before it and the
15th=
edition before that since the early '90's. To qualify to self certify myse=
lf to the new Part P all I have had to do is buy a new test meter (=A3600)
=
and enrol with the NICEIC (=A3450), all other qualifications and work
pract=
ises are in order. I have upped my prices, yes, I will profit from those
wh=
o now believe they need ,and of course do need, my services. But how much
w=
ork will I lose to non-registerred persons doing it for cash or pints.

Perhaps DIY stores should be stopped from selling electrical fixings and =
they become available only at trade outlets to registered people?

Then it would be boilers....& patio gas heaters, lawnmowers, sheds,
shelv=
es, & tiolet paper to registerred wipers!


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On 21/12/2004 at 08:33 Kenneth Watt wrote:

>>  (except in a kitchen or bathroom, or outdoors) is the wording
used in
>all
>> the descriptions of part P I've ever seen. I still don't know what
a
>> kitchen is. I don't even know what outdoors is - is my detached
barn
>> outdoors - it has a door after all.
>
>Pete,
>
>My understanding of it was that any domestic supply has to be certified
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by
>a
>person deemed competent to inspect to the set standards. Until recently
=
I
>understood this was only affect from the faceplate back, so any plug
poi=
nt,
>spur or switch back to the fuse panel in whatever form. However it
would
>now
>appear that there some "grey" areas.
>
>If you are inhabiting the building as a domestic dwelling then it will
f=
all
>under the jurisdiction of Part P, end of story. If your kitchen has
>electricity in it then it will fall under the remit of Part P, open
plan=
or
>not. Part P is not about where or the layout of the property, other
rule=
s
>apply there, Part P is about ensuring that the actual wiring of the
hous=
e
>meets the required standards and is verified as such.
>
>K.
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