Re: Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.

["armagh_elect" <fmcalind@xxxxxxx>]

> Also to satisfy DD243 over hear, standard alarm keypad has built
in prox
> readers for set and unset.


The Genesis Keypads has provision to connect two prox
readers...although i dont think its a requirement to meet the
Australian standards ...probably more sales orientated......

Frank




--- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "Dean Barrett" <dean@r...> wrote:
> Frank
>
> Second circuit is Volumetric, i.e pressure sensitive - no good for
patio
> doors and sash windows.
>
> Alarm will report 2 circuits sequentially, assuming both are
triggered.
>
> Also to satisfy DD243 over hear, standard alarm keypad has built
in prox
> readers for set and unset.
>
>
>
>
> Dean.
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:fmcalind@xxxxxxx...]
>   Sent: 13 November 2003 11:04
>   To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>   Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.
>
>
>   Hi Dean
>
>   BUT
>   not PIR/Micro and are DD243 compliant.
>
>   Ultrasonic ????
>
>   >The P2 is a standard PIR wired in 6core, the remaining 2
>cores
connected
> to
>   >a volumetric sensor, this is wired back to a seperate
>circuit
hence 243
>   >compliance and provides confirmed status
>
>   So are you saying that each time one of these sensors alarms the
alarm
> company receives 2 zone alarms ?? Or does the alarm system report
1 alarm if
> both zones trip ??
>
>   Frank
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Dean Barrett
>     To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>     Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:52 PM
>     Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.
>
>
>     To deal with confirmed alarms our current solution is to wire
all PIR's
> in
>     8core and install Pyronix P2 PIR detectors, these are Dual
Technology,
> BUT
>     not PIR/Micro and are DD243 compliant.
>
>     The P2 is a standard PIR wired in 6core, the remaining 2 cores
connected
> to
>     a volumetric sensor, this is wired back to a seperate circuit
hence 243
>     compliance and provides confirmed status.
>
>     I personally just went round my extension and cut of the ugly
cables
> ready
>     to feed Vipers, and will install P2's instead.
>
>     The good thing is they're not too much bigger than a standard
PIR and
> not
>     much dearer (well double compared to cheap sh*t ones)
>
>
>
>     Dean.
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: Paul Gale [mailto:groups@xxxxxxx...]
>       Sent: 13 November 2003 10:37
>       To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>       Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.
>
>
>       The big thing I didn't do when I rewired the house was to
run cable to
>     each door/window - would have been a huge job but I wish I had
now!
>
>       Going to have to use wireless door contacts which are OK but
much
> bulkier
>     and more expensive.
>
>       Paul.
>
>
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:fmcalind@xxxxxxx...]
>       Sent: 13 November 2003 09:08
>       To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>       Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.
>
>       Hi Wayne
>                   I would suggest you wire your windows and doors
in Figure
> 8
>     ( speaker wire)...and wire them to seperate and individual
zones...Also
> all
>     pirs home run to the alarm panel....If you need to series some
sensors
> do it
>     at the panel and then if you get more expansion modules at a
later stage
> you
>     can have each sensor on its own zone...As Paul mentioned keep
all entrys
> to
>     the pirs sealed as also draughts will cause problems....With
al the
> doors
>     and windows wired seperately you can have the Perimeter
secured while
> still
>     able to move around inside....I would just install concealed
reed
> switches
>     on the doors and windows ...and have a pir in each room....
>
>       hth
>       Frank
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: Wayne
>         To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>         Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:40 AM
>         Subject: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.
>
>
>         Hiyall,
>         Having some mods done to the house at the mo with garage
> conversions,
>         kitchens and porches being created (and a LOAD of mess!),
have took
> to
>         the idea of fitting an alarm - most probely a comfort (hay
if it
> wasnt -
>         it just wouldnt be proper of me to post questions here :)).
>         Have got me some 6 core alarm cable to hand and started
drilling
> holes
>         for cables got me thinking on how many sensors / cables
are needed
> to
>         get a reliable system going. (nothing like planning things
on the
> fly!)
>
>         The general 'gist' on reliability - or at least confirmed
alarms -
> would
>         appear that it would best to have sensors on external
doors /and/
> pir's
>         in rooms, so if a window sensor was tripped AND the pir in
the same
> room
>         - someone has got in and mooching about in the room. If
you had
> either
>         (but not both) you could have false alarms based on some
kid
> throwing
>         ball at window and tripping the sensor or if something
fell in the
> room
>         it would trip the pir.
>
>         1st off - is that assumption correct? (did it make sense
even!)
>         2nd can sensors in a room be chained together in some way
or do you
> wire
>         each one back to the panel? (the garage for example would
have 3
>         sensors, one for the outside door, one on the window and
one pir)
>         3rd Zones - I would imagine that if you have
window/external door
>         sensors you can 'zone' an 'I'm in but tell me if someone
gets in
> while
>         I'm asleep' setting?
>         4th pvc windows / doors - whats the best sensor to fit
with those?
>         vibration type?
>
>         typically I thought of a load of questions when I was
drilling and
> now
>         have forgotten now that I've got round to typing this
thing -
> although
>         the first two are key at this point!
>
>         Thanks for listening (reading)!
>
>         Wayne.
>         www.planetWayne.com
>
>
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