RE: Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.

["Dean Barrett" <dean@xxxxxxx>]

Frank

Second circuit is Volumetric, i.e pressure sensitive - no good for patio
doors and sash windows.

Alarm will report 2 circuits sequentially, assuming both are triggered.

Also to satisfy DD243 over hear, standard alarm keypad has built in prox
readers for set and unset.




Dean.

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:fmcalind@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 13 November 2003 11:04
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.


Hi Dean

BUT
not PIR/Micro and are DD243 compliant.

Ultrasonic ????

>The P2 is a standard PIR wired in 6core, the remaining 2 >cores
connected
to
>a volumetric sensor, this is wired back to a seperate >circuit hence
243
>compliance and provides confirmed status

So are you saying that each time one of these sensors alarms the alarm
company receives 2 zone alarms ?? Or does the alarm system report 1 alarm
if
both zones trip ??

Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Barrett
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.


To deal with confirmed alarms our current solution is to wire all PIR's
in
8core and install Pyronix P2 PIR detectors, these are Dual Technology,
BUT
not PIR/Micro and are DD243 compliant.

The P2 is a standard PIR wired in 6core, the remaining 2 cores connected
to
a volumetric sensor, this is wired back to a seperate circuit hence 243
compliance and provides confirmed status.

I personally just went round my extension and cut of the ugly cables
ready
to feed Vipers, and will install P2's instead.

The good thing is they're not too much bigger than a standard PIR and
not
much dearer (well double compared to cheap sh*t ones)



Dean.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Gale [mailto:groups@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 13 November 2003 10:37
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.


The big thing I didn't do when I rewired the house was to run cable to
each door/window - would have been a huge job but I wish I had now!

Going to have to use wireless door contacts which are OK but much
bulkier
and more expensive.

Paul.



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:fmcalind@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 13 November 2003 09:08
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.

Hi Wayne
I would suggest you wire your windows and doors in Figure
8
( speaker wire)...and wire them to seperate and individual zones...Also
all
pirs home run to the alarm panel....If you need to series some sensors
do it
at the panel and then if you get more expansion modules at a later stage
you
can have each sensor on its own zone...As Paul mentioned keep all entrys
to
the pirs sealed as also draughts will cause problems....With al the
doors
and windows wired seperately you can have the Perimeter secured while
still
able to move around inside....I would just install concealed reed
switches
on the doors and windows ...and have a pir in each room....

hth
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.


Hiyall,
Having some mods done to the house at the mo with garage
conversions,
kitchens and porches being created (and a LOAD of mess!), have took
to
the idea of fitting an alarm - most probely a comfort (hay if it
wasnt -
it just wouldnt be proper of me to post questions here :)).
Have got me some 6 core alarm cable to hand and started drilling
holes
for cables got me thinking on how many sensors / cables are needed
to
get a reliable system going. (nothing like planning things on the
fly!)

The general 'gist' on reliability - or at least confirmed alarms -
would
appear that it would best to have sensors on external doors /and/
pir's
in rooms, so if a window sensor was tripped AND the pir in the same
room
- someone has got in and mooching about in the room. If you had
either
(but not both) you could have false alarms based on some kid
throwing
ball at window and tripping the sensor or if something fell in the
room
it would trip the pir.

1st off - is that assumption correct? (did it make sense even!)
2nd can sensors in a room be chained together in some way or do you
wire
each one back to the panel? (the garage for example would have 3
sensors, one for the outside door, one on the window and one pir)
3rd Zones - I would imagine that if you have window/external door
sensors you can 'zone' an 'I'm in but tell me if someone gets in
while
I'm asleep' setting?
4th pvc windows / doors - whats the best sensor to fit with those?
vibration type?

typically I thought of a load of questions when I was drilling and
now
have forgotten now that I've got round to typing this thing -
although
the first two are key at this point!

Thanks for listening (reading)!

Wayne.
www.planetWayne.com