RE: Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.

["Dean Barrett" <dean@xxxxxxx>]

To deal with confirmed alarms our current solution is to wire all PIR's in
8core and install Pyronix P2 PIR detectors, these are Dual Technology, BUT
not PIR/Micro and are DD243 compliant.

The P2 is a standard PIR wired in 6core, the remaining 2 cores connected to
a volumetric sensor, this is wired back to a seperate circuit hence 243
compliance and provides confirmed status.

I personally just went round my extension and cut of the ugly cables ready
to feed Vipers, and will install P2's instead.

The good thing is they're not too much bigger than a standard PIR and not
much dearer (well double compared to cheap sh*t ones)



Dean.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Gale [mailto:groups@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 13 November 2003 10:37
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.


The big thing I didn't do when I rewired the house was to run cable to
each door/window - would have been a huge job but I wish I had now!

Going to have to use wireless door contacts which are OK but much bulkier
and more expensive.

Paul.



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:fmcalind@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 13 November 2003 09:08
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.

Hi Wayne
I would suggest you wire your windows and doors in Figure 8
( speaker wire)...and wire them to seperate and individual zones...Also all
pirs home run to the alarm panel....If you need to series some sensors do
it
at the panel and then if you get more expansion modules at a later stage
you
can have each sensor on its own zone...As Paul mentioned keep all entrys to
the pirs sealed as also draughts will cause problems....With al the doors
and windows wired seperately you can have the Perimeter secured while still
able to move around inside....I would just install concealed reed switches
on the doors and windows ...and have a pir in each room....

hth
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: [ukha_d] Comfort - Alarms - Zones - Best Ideas.


Hiyall,
Having some mods done to the house at the mo with garage conversions,
kitchens and porches being created (and a LOAD of mess!), have took to
the idea of fitting an alarm - most probely a comfort (hay if it wasnt -
it just wouldnt be proper of me to post questions here :)).
Have got me some 6 core alarm cable to hand and started drilling holes
for cables got me thinking on how many sensors / cables are needed to
get a reliable system going. (nothing like planning things on the fly!)

The general 'gist' on reliability - or at least confirmed alarms - would
appear that it would best to have sensors on external doors /and/ pir's
in rooms, so if a window sensor was tripped AND the pir in the same room
- someone has got in and mooching about in the room. If you had either
(but not both) you could have false alarms based on some kid throwing
ball at window and tripping the sensor or if something fell in the room
it would trip the pir.

1st off - is that assumption correct? (did it make sense even!)
2nd can sensors in a room be chained together in some way or do you wire
each one back to the panel? (the garage for example would have 3
sensors, one for the outside door, one on the window and one pir)
3rd Zones - I would imagine that if you have window/external door
sensors you can 'zone' an 'I'm in but tell me if someone gets in while
I'm asleep' setting?
4th pvc windows / doors - whats the best sensor to fit with those?
vibration type?

typically I thought of a load of questions when I was drilling and now
have forgotten now that I've got round to typing this thing - although
the first two are key at this point!

Thanks for listening (reading)!

Wayne.
www.planetWayne.com