RE: Autom8it nolonger free?

["UKHA" <ukha@xxxxxxx>]

Dean,

I understand your pain, that's why HomeAutomator was/is being developed
because we wanted something free to use. What I can see is the community
going out of UKHA, where making a buck is the be all and end all. I don't
subscribe to that point of view. What I do subscribe to is the community
of people who have given me many a toy/gift/replacement/helping hand
when I needed it. I feel I owe the group much in return and as a
consequence HomeAutomator stays free.

Looking around I've seen a great deal of work by many many people
on projects like xAP and xPL. These group efforts ensure that in
the end what is developed it useable by all, for nothing. We have
a hobby that is expensive in the commercial arena and this is the
reason for the growth of the many projects out there.. long may
it continue..

Andy


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On 30/04/2003 at 00:14 Dean Smith wrote:

>Andy
>
>I know, hence the dollar sign ;-) , plus they were just a few examples.
>
>My point was that HomeSeer is no longer just 60 (as it was when I
bought it
>a year ago). It has matured as a product and the price has gone up. You
can
>now easily spend 150 with a few "big" plug-ins. so
considerably more than
>the less mature AutoM8it. Several developments have never appeared
>(noticably integrated web/security cam). I'm sure they will alos not be
>part
>of the core package when finally they're available
>
>The homeseer plug-in distribution makes it unlikely people (new users)
will
>realise alternative (mostly free) scripts/plug-ins are available -
>attention
>is drawn to the ease of installation (and in many cases payement) that
is
>offered via a few clicks.
>
>My fear for HomeSeer (and perhaps AutoM8it in 18months) is that the
people
>who make these products so useful (to me) are those that add their own
code
>(of which there are several on this list). The people who pay 150 up
front
>for software are (arguably) less likely to then muck in with their own
code
>and distribute that for free. Hence *all* development may need to be
done
>centrally - requiring further price rises to fund it etc. etc.
>
>I dont have any answers though.....
>
>Deano
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: UKHA [mailto:ukha@xxxxxxx]
>Sent: 29 April 2003 23:50
>To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Autom8it nolonger free?
>
>
>Errm, Id just like to point out you are comparing $ prices with 
prices..
>
>Homeseer = 149 USD is 93.44 gbp  ( http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi
)
>autom8it = 60 gbp
>
>diference being 33 quid...
>
>the media player plugin isn;t required as (I think it was) Paul
>Gordon who wrote a script to do this...
>
>Andy
>
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>On 29/04/2003 at 22:53 Dean Smith wrote:
>
>>I'm personally a HomeSeer user. But that is now $150 for a 1.6
licence and
>>$xx for additional plug-ins. e.g.
>>
>>Official HomeSeer Media Player plug-in = Price: $29.95
>>3rd Party plug-in for Messenger/Outlook etc are now between $20 and
$30
>>each.
>>
>>It all starts to add-up for new users. Almost all plug-ins need
some
>>additional scripting to actually leverage their full potential.
>>
>>My fear is that people who buy $200 S/W are less likely to accept
the
>>additonal effort required to make it work and then contribute stuff
back
>>in.
>>HomeSeer (and I assume AutoM8it) offer little (imho) as raw X10
scheduling
>>interfaces. They only come alive when *all* your harwdare/software
can
>>interact.
>>
>>Deano
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul [mailto:p-gale@xxxxxxx]
>>Sent: 29 April 2003 22:30
>>To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Autom8it nolonger free?
>>
>>
>>mmm... 60 for the full licence - I also thought it was an ongoing
free app
>>:-((
>>
>>
>>
>>Not good!
>>
>>
>>
>>Paul.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Calum Morrell [mailto:calum@xxxxxxx]
>>Sent: 29 April 2003 20:40
>>To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Autom8it nolonger free?
>>
>>
>>
>>UKHA wrote:
>>> Do my eyes deceive me? Does autom8it now cost beer tokens?
I've been
>>recommending it to people who want to dip their toes in the waters
of HA,
>>and as it was free it meant no investment...
>>>
>>> disappointed of Holland,
>>
>>No longer free? FFS, I only downloaded some components last week
and
>>there was certainly no mention that it was going to be charged
for!!
>>
>>Looks like Homeseer will be getting my business after all. I was
willing
>>to support Autom8it and offer help in the near future, but it's
nowhere
>>near ready as a production system for even my moderatley basic
needs.
>>
>>Off to uninstall a certain package from my system.
>>
>>--
>>Calum Morrell
>>www.drochaid.org
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