RE: TiVo

["Brian G. Reynolds" <brian.g.reynolds@xxxxxxx>]

Blimey.......

I will have to have another read of this one......

Second thoughts, I will go and have tea, watch Blind-Date sad git that I
am, and come back..

Thanks Kevin.

B.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Hawkins [mailto:lists@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 11 January 2003 17:35
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] TiVo


Hi Brian,



            The
instructions for getting TivoWeb to start automatically
are included in Tony's page at
http://www.arielbusiness.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/freeranger/TiVo/HowTo.htm.
under a section entitled "Getting TiVoWeb to start up
Automatically" ;-)
You will need to add the startup line  
/var/hack/tivoweb-tcl/tivoweb to
rc.sysinit. It's not too much of an issue if it doesn't start up
automatically as the Tivo is very stable. However if you want to
then...



            Do you
have Joe installed on the Tivo ? I ask because it is
not a good idea to edit rc.sysinit from Windows. Note this comment from
the how to



(Note: If the text appears all jumbled when using Joe, then try typing
export TERM=vt100 at the # prompt before running Joe.) 



When you copy files backwards and forwards between Windows and Tivo and
edit them on the PC they have a habit of becoming unusable on the Tivo
as they can get CR/LF's inserted. Additionally the privileges can get
messed up. rc.sysinit is a very important file to the Tivo and if you
mess it up or you end up with it's privileges wrong it will fail to run
and your Tivo won't boot so I can only stress the importance of doing
it
right. You will have to remove the disk from the Tivo and manually fix
it in the PC which is messy. There is a recent thread on the UKHA_Tivo
group entitled "Creating the rc.sysinit.hack file" that shows
what can
(and did ) go wrong when you screw this up - I know - I was that man.

            In
Tony's 'how to's' there is a section entitled 'Making
hacking safer on the Tivo" - I would suggest this is a good thing to
do.
What it effectively does is create another file called rc.sysinit.hack
that is chained onto the end of the rc.sysinit file. Once this is done
then it avoids you having to edit rc.sysinit directly which means you
are less likely to screw the Tivo up. Unfortunately to create this
chain
you have to edit rc.sysinit once but after that it's fine. Later edits
are done to the hack file. If you do this then instead of adding the
/var/hack/tivoweb-tcl/  line to rc.sysinit you would add it to
rc.sysinit.hack which is much safer.

            Now the
updates. The Tivo will automatically use the
Ethernet interface for it's updates assuming you installed the TurboNet
software using the 9th Tee CD. In fact to get back to telephone use
will
require some editing. As long as your Tivo has internet connectivity
all
will be well. I think it already has as you could see some web info
from
Doogies previous suggestion. You can test it with ping if you have that
installed on the Tivo (not the PC). Just try pinging any internet
address and it should work showing the Tivo can send and receive data.
You can also do a forced daily call from the Tivo menus and that would
work. In fact a test call is much quicker and will work too - it takes
about 3 mins .



           
Kevin



            PS If
you do edit rc.sysinit directly then three pointers 



1)       Make a backup first and leave a copy
both on your PC and on the
Tivo in the same directory as the original rc.sysinit, name it
something
like rc.sysinit.working.

2)       Follow the editing instructions
exactly - if in any doubt then
ctrlC out of Joe and abandon the changes and start again. 

3)       Make sure you change the privileges
of rc.sysinit using  chmod
755 /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit and change the file system back to read only
mount -o remount,ro / and sync BEFORE you reboot the Tivo or you may
get
locked out







-----Original Message-----
From: Brian G. Reynolds [mailto:brian.g.reynolds@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: 11 January 2003 16:36
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] TiVo



Thanks again Doogie and Kevin,

I rebooted the TiVo via telnet and I can now use the whole web
interface
double yippee!

Just a couple more questions if I may please,

How do I make the web start automatically?

And how do I get it to use the web interface to update?
I have a cable modem but I am not bothered if I still have to use the
phone as I have a PBX and it is a free phone number anyway.

I am using ISA Server and Proxy is used for IE browsing.

I use DigiGuide on my workstation that does update but installed it
onto
my server but it cannot connect to the web so I do think my ISA is not
setup properly but I am at a loss as to how to set it up correctly if
it
is wrong!....in fact I have not been able to access my server from the
outside world for months but every time someone suggests to check
something I do and it is okay....always something more to learn....

Thanks,

B.

-----Original Message-----
From: Doogie Brodie [mailto:ukhad@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 11 January 2003 14:37
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] TiVo


Brian G. Reynolds wrote:

> I am now a happier little bunny, it looks like TiVo had crashed! 
> Thanks for the heads up on this Kevin.
>
> I re-booted TiVo and have now managed to carry out the install as 
> detailed below and I can now access the TiVo via a web page
YIPPEE!

:D yay!

> That is as far as I can go! if I now click on any of the options I
> only get "The page cannot be displayed".....ho hum...

Oh dear... :( You get the front page but when you click any of the
links

it fails? I wonder if it's a proxy related issue.... are you using ISA 
with proxy settings in your browser, or are you using it as a 
transparent proxy? You might need to say your Tivo shouldn't be
accessed

via the proxy server.

Did you run TivoWeb with the console option then close the telnet 
session or anything...?

> Is it okay to re-boot the TiVo at this stage? actually is there a 
> correct way of re-booting the TiVo instead of pulling the power?

Yeah, it's generally always OK to reboot.... you'll have to telnet in 
and run
/var/hack/tivoweb-tcl/tivoweb
though, until you've modified it to startup all the time.

Main reboot options.... pull the plug, type reboot in a telnet session,
or on the Tivo Messages & Setup/ System Reset/ Restart the Recorder

I normally type reboot in a telnet session because it's easier!

> These prompts that I have been typing, are the Linux commands of UNIX
> stuff? I have got my 2 year old 333MHz PC sitting by to have Linux
> loaded onto it as it would not load to my older Proliant
Server.....

These are Linux bash shell commands (and ftp commands) that we've been 
using, because your Tivo runs Linux. :)

-- 
Doogie



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