RE: Lighting

["Paul Gale" <groups@xxxxxxx>]

I put in around 40 LD11's in my house (every light is controlled). If I was=
doing it again I would definitely consider using CBUS over X10 for a couple=
of well-publicised problems with X10:

I automate a lot of lights using PIR triggering. I do find that occasionall= y
a light doesn't turn on or off (due to problems with the X10 signal not
getting there). Also not having a way of checking whether a light is on or<= BR> off has some big disadvantages when programming more complex scenarios.

With experience, I'd definitely pay more the features that CBUS seems to offer!

Paul.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Mouser [mailto:rmouser@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 31 January 2003 11:04
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Lighting
>
> Hi All
>
> Be careful here, Aus prices are lower than UK! You also have to take > into account switching costs, here's a real example:
>
> Current UK **TRADE** for an 8ch (1amp per channel.) dimmer is:
>
> =A3300 + VAT.
>
> So that=92s =A337.50 per channel.
>
> I believe a LD-11 is around =A325-=A330.
>
> Remember though that you will need dedicated switching for C-bus. Pric= es
> start at around =A345 for a 1ch switch, =A354 for a 4ch switch. Or go = for
> the 'Neo' or new 'reflection' range for beautiful switching options! >
> So lets take a 8ch, 5 switch scenario:
>
> C-bus:
> 1 x 8ch Dimmer =3D =A3300.00
> 5 x 4ch E2000 Switch =3D =A3270.00
> Total: =A3570.00
>
> X-10:
> 8 x LD11 comprising of:
> 1 x 5 pack =3D =A3120.00
> 3 x 3 singles =3D =A389.34
> 5 x Clipsal 4gang blanks =3D =A37.50
> 20 x Clipsal Momentary Switches =3D =A340.00
> Total: =A3264.34
>
> ***X-10 prices taken from Lets Automate web site.
>
> OTHER CONSIDERATIONS:
>
> C-bus has a hugely greater level of flexibility for programming than > X-10.
> e.g. You decide that button 4 on your c-bus switch in the kitchen is > going to turn off the outside light, it currently switches on the
> kitchen halogen.
> How would you achieve this in the above set up? In c-bus you plug in > your RS232 cable, open the software make about 5 mouse clicks, save th= e
> changes, job done. Oh and that switch can do multiple things; on/off,<= BR> > dimm/bright, Bell push, timer, basic scene, control 1 or many
> loads/zones.......
> The software is free for C-bus (But you need to buy a RS232 interface.= )
> C-bus switching is 100% reliable.
>
> HTH...
>
> Many thanks
>
> Rob Mouser
> rmouser@xxxxxxx > rob@xxxxxxx >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark McCall [mailto:Mark@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 31 January 2003 10:38
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Lighting
> >
> > > to program..........Not sure about UK prices but an 8 channe= l dimmer
> (1A
> > > each) cost me approx $750.00 (+ vat) were 8 ld11,s would hav= e cost
> me
> > > $880.00..
> >
> > That seems fantastic Frank.  C-Bus is _cheaper_ than X10!!&n= bsp; Are those
> both
> > retail prices?  I suppose we should add the cost of the Clip= sal C-Bus
> > switches too to give a more accurate picture.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > M.
> >
> >
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