Re: "Mid-Band" - Hope for rural Home Automators!

["Dean Smith" <ukha@xxxxxxx>]

The second I hit send I noticed I'd typed the B & D the wrong way
round.

You're right Dial-Out is not new by any stretch of the imagination. It is
by no means a trivial exercise though - which is why its
not widely available for the consumer market and therefore for me as a
consumer it is interesting.

If you have accurate predictions from 1991 of a) current voice traffic and
b) the fact "the Internet" would now exist in anything
like its current form or popularity then I can accept the frustration that
the backhaul for 2002/03 isn't in place. Unfortunately
the IP infrastructure required for an internet connection is not just a
DSLAM and a bit of fibre (which is fortunate as it keeps me
in toys).

But we're agreed is primarily the Government's fault and BT is by no means
blameless ;-)

Dean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Lowe" <ian@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] "Mid-Band" - Hope for rural Home
Automators!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Smith [mailto:ukha@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 20 November 2002 18:14
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] "Mid-Band" - Hope for rural Home
Automators!
>
>
> >The "always on" part is intriguing rather than
exciting.
>
> tbh, it sounds like exactly what we have come to expect from BT.
nothing.
>
> >It sounds very much like using the B channel as always on to
trigger D
> channels when required.
>
> It's the other way round, but I know what you mean. and this service
is
> about as new as....
>
> 1988
>
> ...when planet internet offered an ISDN dial-back service where if
your
> static IP received traffic, the ISP would lift the line and dial your
router
> at 128K. that service is just as much "always on" as this
one. the only
> difference is billing, and I'm afraid I can't get excited about 14
years of
> "progress", and the only improvement is the ability to
charge calls at zero
> rate.
>
> >I'm a HH user and would love always-on. I can get a bigger pipe
than I
> could possib;y want at work - and
> >frankly downloading 600mb movie rip-offs doesn't appeal.
>
> Thats nice for you. My company has BH and that's all we can afford.
512K
> would cost us ?7,400 to install, and ?1037 a month. Not quite
"free install
> and ?25 a month", huh?
>
> >If you want to rant ;-) have a go at a Government which treated
the telcos
> as a cash cow (3G Licences)
> >when times were good, mouths off a lot about BB, but does zippo to
help or
> invest.
>
> Oh, I agree. HMG is solidly to blame here. I know that.
>
> >The only way in the current economic climate that ADSL roll-out
will be
> extended significantly is if in
> >the areas where is is there - it becomes profitable and
quickly.
>
> Sorry, but I disagree completely. This is a question of national
> infrastructure, not a simple business case. The Government has tried
to
> slopey shoulder it's responsibility, and stand cheering at the side
lines as
> we slide into a frankly embarrassing position in the developed
world.
>
> A leading centre for e-business?? world leader in e-commerce? hardly,
when
> something like 48% of UK business is unable to get broadband access
at
> anything less than 1K a month.
>
> >Hence the necessary evil that is those adverts should be welcomed
as the
> drive that is needed to make
> >ADSL profitable and worth rolling out to evryone.
>
> And what is the point of taking out hundreds of billboard adverts in
areas
> which are not enabled? National TV and Radio is one thing, but here,
BT are
> going out of their way to advertise ADSL (which people cannot get) in
areas
> wth cable. yet, they have no plans whatsoever to roll out to these
> exchanges.
>
> >As much as its fun (and easy) to blame "BT", you cant
escape hard economic
> factors influencing
> >investment strategy. They got it very wrong with 3G, and having
been bitten
> are now cautious....
>
> well Dean, the problem here is this:
>
> BT have been point blank *lying* about the state of their network
to
> shareholders.
>
> AIU, they claimed back in 1991 that all exchanges were now connected
to a
> fibre backbone, placing BT in an excellent position for the future,
blah,
> blah, blah...
>
> *if* that was true, thne enabling an exchange would be as simple as
popping
> the DSLAM in, and doing some plant works.
>
> however, many exchanges are getting 600 and 700 trigger levels,
> because...... "back hauling the data to the core network requires
laying of
> new cabling and fibre into the exchanges" If those two versions
of events
> can be reconciled, BT can get a *shred* of respect, otherwise, their
profits
> in the "good years" were as fictional as those of Enron.
>
> Ian.
>
>
>
>
>
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