Re: (very OT) Something about TV camerawork

[Jerome O'Donohoe <jerome@xxxxxxx>]

What you're talking about is the filmic effect applied to video to make
it look more like film.  Video shows 50 different images per second,
film is just 24 (or 25 when on TV) so it is much more jerky (and of 
course, grainier.) If you have a look at eastenders, then heartbeat, 
they are shot on the same medium (Digital Betacam) but EE is untreated,
and Heartbeat is treated. The process halves the resolution of the 
picture (it interpolates the lines from the 2 fields that make up a 
frame) but gives it that more juddery motion like film, it has the 
effect of distancing you from the action and making it seem more 
unreal.  See the TV newsgroups in google under "filmic
effect" and 
you'll see all the moans from techies and viewers about this technique.
And yes, friends is shot on 35mm film, but 3 perfs per frame, not 4 as 
is usual for 35mm (saves film, they only use about 45-50% of the frame 
anyway).

HTH

jerome



On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 10:03  pm, Nick Broughton wrote:

> Sounds about right.  Contrast could well be the distinguishing
feature 
> that
> I'm talking about.
>
> I'll be better armed the next time I'm aware that I'm watching it!
>
> Ta.
>
> Nick
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Griffiths [mailto:mike@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 12:35 PM
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] (very OT) Something about TV camerawork
>>
>>
>> There isn't an exact answer -
>> Unless you are a film cameraman then it's simple - video is
crap.
>>
>> One of the technical reasons is the contrast ratio is far
>> better, but that
>> is only really the beginning of the story
>>
>> Most quality stuff you see shot on video is Digi-beta and although
the
>> quality is good to get the picture to full high quality spec
>> there is a lot
>> of electronic trickery within the camera to "sharpen up the
picture".
>>
>> The other main difference is in shooting time, and time give
>> to lighting
>>
>> Video is cheap - film is very expensive
>> A generalisation and something people have argued about for a
>> long time, but
>> it might in part answer your original question
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nick Broughton [mailto:mail@xxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: 03 November 2002 09:48
>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] (very OT) Something about TV
camerawork
>>>
>>> I think that's the sort of answer I'm looking for.  I
don't
>> know what it
>>> means though!  How does that differ from 'normal' TV
filming?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Griffiths [mailto:mike@xxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 12:59 AM
>>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] (very OT) Something about TV
camerawork
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only really follow "Friends" in
American sitcom and Ally
>>>>>> McBeal (until it
>>>>>> got dumped) if you would class it that way. The
only thing I
>>>>>
>>>>> The wife watches Friends, and I assume that it
exhibits
>>>> this behaviour,
>>>>> because I'm *not* in the habit of watching US sitcoms
and I
>>>> don't know
>>>>> what
>>>>> else gives me this impression...
>>>>>
>>>> [Mike] these are all shot on 35mm film if this helps?
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