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RE: Re: Changing volume of MP3s



Sorry - there was am IMPORTANT  word missing from the discussion about different types of amplification strategies... ADDED BELOW

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Harrison
Sent: 25 May 2002 10:51
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: Changing volume of MP3s


Hmmm...

OK just re-read what I wrote, and realised that this really is my "specialised subject" given that I have a degree in Maths/Comp, my wife has a Masters in Engineering, with a lot of Signal Processing taken as advance options, and I used to work as a recording engineer :-)

I'll try this in plainer English :-)


In order to listen to sound, it needs to get converted into electrical signals in the brain. This happens in a part of the brain connected to the inner ear. The ear is basically a sense organ that turns vibrations in the air into electrical impulses in the brain. In order to get the air vibrating the way we want for sound replay, we apply many years research in fluid dynamics and discover that the best way to do this is to wobble around a relatively rigid "thing". This "thing" is called a speaker cone, and is, in turn moved by virtue of being firmly affixed to a large magnet - the magnet in turn sits inside a coil, through which electricity is passed (passing the electricity through the coil creates a magnetic field which causes the magnet to move, taking the cone with it.)

The electrical signal applied to a speaker is of the order of up to 50v. The conventional way to do this is to pass a smaller signal - up to about 2.5v into an amplifier, and rely on the amplifier to convert an input of 0 to an output of 0, an input of 2.5 into an output of 50, and everything in between in proportion. This isn't as easy as it sounds, because the act of driving a loudspeaker's coil through an electromagnet "pushes back" and changes the electrical characteristics of the load that we're trying to drive! Nonetheless, this works with different levels of : ultimate output power, exactness of this scaling, and ability to drive more "difficult" loads - as we move up and down the price ladder.

In the old days (TM), this input signal of up to 2.5v was gained by reading some continually-varying thing, such as the alignment of molecules in a magentised medium (reading from tape), or the difference in inclination/depth of a physical groove in a plastic platter (reading from a record), with a little bit of aplification to get the answer up to 0-2.5v

"Continually-varying" is another way of saying "analogue".

These days, signals are transferred as "digital signals" - a strea, of 1s and 0s, with some agreed way of determining how to convert them back into a continually-varying voltage.

There are two disavantages to digital, compared to analogue, and one massive advantage.

The first disadvantage is that there's no continuous-ness in the voltage. In analogue we could have 0v, and 1v, but also .01, .0123, .01232, .012321, .0123214, .01232138 v - all distinguished from each other (sort of.) In digital, there were only a certain number of "steps" you could be on between 0 and 2.5, and, say, there was NO WAY of being mid-way between a step, and therefore no way of telling the differnece between .0123214 and .01232138 - both got rounded to the same step. This is called "quantisation". In practice, this wasn't as bad as it might sound - because once you've converted into this voltage, you discover that your components aren't perfect and the "noise" - ie the random fluctuation by - introduced was probably bigger than the differences that subtle. In 1980, when the CD was coming onto the scene, precision in manufacture was such that 16 bits of data was enough to guarantee that the data-precision wasn't the limiting factor. These days, 24 bits seems to be en ough.

The second disadvantage was similar, but in the time-domain rather than the voltage-domain. You can't take a running picture in digital. You have to take a series of snapshots. This process is called "sampling". In 1980, it was felt that 44,100 of these per second was enough, and given contemparous sound technology, it probably was. These days, 192,000 is better... The problem is that you need a sample rate TWICE as high as the maximum frequency that you want to replay. This means that, on CD, the highest frequency playable is 22kz - which is just within the hearing range of some people, and most people can tell the difference when nothing above it is there.

However, the big ADVANTAGE of digital is that it's (compared to analogue) very easy to make perfect copies. You just have to ensure that you gets the 1s and 0s in the right order, and you can check by comparing back. In analogue it turns out to be an immutable law of physics that you _can't_ make a perfect copy.

What "normal" playback equipment does to amplify to _your_ choice of volume is to take this stream of 1s and 0s, then convert them into a voltage between 0 and 2.5, then amplify that as above. The problem is that the "big voltages" cause magnetic currents WITHIN the amplifier which can cause subtle corruption of the low-level input signals.

What "high-end" stuff does is takes the 0-2.5, and "pre-amplifies" it to between 0-2.5v (ie - the same range, but up or down as per YOUR choice of volume.) Then it passes it to a separate "power amp" - normally in a separate box, which does the conversion from 0-2.5 to 0-50, but at a fixed gain. Turns out this makes it easier to isolate the interference, so better sound quality.

What ***VERY*** high-end playback equipment does to amplify to _your_ choice of volume is take these DIGITAL signals - the stream of 1s and 0s, and do some calculating based on your choice of volume to come out with the very digital stream that, when passed into the "digital to analogue" convertor will produce the output signal INCLUDING the preamplification. This is then passed into a power amp (again - in a separate box.)

What this MP3 tool is doing is that digital trick from VERY high-end equipment. To take the numpty ripping (or for that matter, original recording) that the MP3 file arrives with, and recalculate what it should be so it "sounds" at the same level as every other MP3 file you've got. (With the proviso that, on albums, some tracks might be intended to be quieter than others, so it takes this into account.)

This digital conversion process ISN'T loss-less. The act of having to force the output back into 44.1Kz, 16-bit (or whatever) means that you introduce a whole other set of quantisation errors by doing the calculation.

HOWEVER, this level of error is less audible than you'd get by converting to analogue, amplifying up/down, and converting back to digital... Hence I described their description as "cute."

M.



-----Original Message-----
From: andy_powell_is [mailto:ukha@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 25 May 2002 10:15
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Changing volume of MP3s


--- In ukha_d@y..., "Mark Harrison" <Mark.Harrison@e...> wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Good call! I've been wanting something to do this for a while...

:D

>
> They're being a little cute saying it's "lossless". What they
actually mean is that they're doing amplification upstream in the
digitial domain (presumably at a high resolution, and then quantising
back, a la Meridian.) Not technically lossless in the sense that MLP
is, but "free from analogue conversion noise".
>
> M.

I think I speak a different language... I don't understand this at
all :(

Andy





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