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RE: RE: cat5 cable picking up radio ?


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  • Subject: RE: RE: cat5 cable picking up radio ?
  • From: "Anthony Livingstone" <anto@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:47:28 +0100
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I had a situation once were a customer was complaining of regular corruption of a database on a Unix server.
After a couple of weeks of investigation and much head scratching I narrowed the problem down to one of about sixty Specialix connected dumb terminals on the site.
The corruption only seemed to happen when someone was accessing the database from that terminal so it was swapped out - to no avail.
Everything had now been ruled out, server hardware, operating system, database software, network components, PC's, dumb terminals & dumb users - had to be the cabling...
 
Traced the cable back from the suspect terminal and found a bare Cat5 UTP cable was resting across the top of a very large automatic roller door and running within inches of the large electric motor that operated it.  Stood and watched for a while and when a forklift came along and activated the door corruption occurred on the database.  :o)
Brought their IT manager over pointed at it smiled and walked away (a third party had the cabling contract!).
 
After nearly three weeks of high tech investigation it turned out a fork lift was the problem!
Anyhow, the time I spent on site generated some much need income for the company I worked for at the time (ICL)!
 
If you are running anywhere near an EM noisy environment and need to be certain of signal integrity then use STP and stick it in a shielded conduit.
(Shouldn't be necessary in a home installation though - suck it and see!).
 
Anto.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Harrison [mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 31 May 2002 13:07
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] RE: cat5 cable picking up radio ?

Well - there are a few applications which use the 8 cores separately rather than as 4 balanced pairs. STP might come in useful there.
 
Also, it's useful in factory / industrial environments. If you want cable to go anywhere near a blast-furnace, say.

I've never seen an application that called for it in a domestic / office environment.
 
M.
-----Original Message-----
From: BUTLER, Tony, FM [mailto:tony.butler@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Fri 31/05/2002 12:58
To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
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Subject: RE: [ukha_d] RE: cat5 cable picking up radio ?

Mark,
 
If CAT5 is designed for balanced signals, which are (relatively) immune to interference, what then is the point of screened CAT5?
It's a question I've been meaning to ask for a while (following a previous discussion about ethernet being balanced) and you've just reminded me of it.
 
Any ideas?
 
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Harrison [mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 31 May 2002 12:43
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: [ukha_d] RE: cat5 cable picking up radio ?

You CAN, if you really feel like it, wrap the CAT5 cable in kitchen foil, and ground one end, which will help a bit...
 
... But it's fundamentally a crap way to do it. If you're going to carry signals over CAT5, then they need to be balanced. The whole point of balancing is in the rejection of interference (such as shortwave radio.)
 
Doesn't matter whether you're talking 10baseT ethernet, 100baseT ethernet, or KAT5 audio... balancing is the only way to go.
 
M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Amar Nagi [mailto:amar@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Fri 31/05/2002 12:37
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Cc:
Subject: cat5 cable picking up radio ?

I lay as a temporary solution a cat5 cable and i run audio down
it to the a set of mulitmedia pc speakers in the bedroom.
and for some reason it picks up radio. I can hear
a radio program in the audio.
 
any ideas ?


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