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Damn
these crossing over posts!!
Apology accepted - it was a _little_ excessive I thought, but
forgotten
already!
I
don't see that adding a bit for time & effort is too much - even if,
yes, an
actual profit is made, on a product that people on the group want and will
get
for less than they would otherwise. It might encourage others to do
bulk
buys if they can at least cover the cost of doing so (or fool themselves
into
thinking that anyway).
Maybe
because it's so soon after the memory buy you are thinking I am going to be
doing this on a commercial basis, but really I'm still relatively new tot
his
group so I'm just trying to catch up on the gadget count - and whilst I'm
at it,
if I can get a better deal if I do a bulk buy then why
not?
This I
feel is way different to the guy who just spammed about loads of PC's at
bargain
prices or whatever it was.
Some
guidelines would be useful, but enforcing them would be very difficult and
constricting perhaps - eg, if I had to collect all the money (thus getting
exact
numbers), work out the exact shipping costs, VAT etc on the memory deal
then I
probably wouldn't have bothered because it would have taken more effort
than it
was worth - so I bought first, told everyone the price, then collected the
money
(or even handed over the goods without the money because 'I left the
chequebook
at home - you know who you are!).
This
is in contrast to the other buys I am aware of where money was required up
front. Fair enough - different people are willing to take different
risks,
so guidelines should not be binding on people.
Just
IMO of course.
Tony
Let me publically apologise for my very OTT message back to Tony. I
over-reacted to his "good god..." reply to my original message, which
wasn't
intended as a dig at him.
Let me further go on record with a couple of things:
1: I don't believe that Tony is excessively profiteering on the
AudioTron bulk buy.
2: It was ME who originally spoke to Mark about making profits on
the
bulk buys... but read on.
This was _prior_ to Tony's recent post about European and "small
profit".
The reason I was picked up the phone to speak to Mark about guidelines
for
Bulk Buys was because of the relationship that UKHA is building with
SonicBlue, who have expressed to me very clearly that they want to
understand
how our bulk buy process actually works and is governed before they enter
into
the next one (on ReplayTV.)
We discussed both past and current bulk buys, including (in
chronological
order) Graham', Gareth's, John's, mine, and Tony's.
In our discussions, I said that I was felt we needed a clear distinction
between those who wanted to run Bulk Buys as a service to the group as a
whole, and would try to do this at cost, and those who were
commercially-motivated, in particular the guy that Mark banned last week
for
just coming on and spamming the list with adverts.
The thrust of my conversation with Mark is that we needed to make clear,
in
advance, the guidelines for doing this. As you know, I drafted the original
set of guidelines that, say, Gareth used. I think that it's far better to
understand what we're all letting ourselves in for up front.
We _are_ becoming a powerful force in the leading-edge Home
Automation
market, and wholesalers are beginning to ask questions that we need to be
able
to answer...
Mark
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