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RE: UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy



Title: Re: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy
Mark,
 
I think if you look back, you'll find that I have not sent you messages saying you'd wasted your money on the Rios.
I said I did a comparison and preferred the sound of the Audiotron
I said I thought size rather than cost was the main reason to purchase the Rio.  Some people disagreed.
I said the Rio sounder closer to the Audiotron if using an external amp but, IMO, that defeated some of the point of the Rio and I would still choose the Audiotron.
I said also that the price of the Audotron solution is not as high as you suggested in one of your mails
And finally, I offered you a loan of my Audiotron to see what you thought of it.
 
I would appreciate it if you could send me a copy of the message where I said you have wasted your money.
 
Also, I think you'll find it was a couple of weeks ago that I said I would organise a buy of US Audiotrons, through my company (as well as the IR35 thing this enables people to reclaim the VAT if they are in a position to do so), and that I would offer a 220v upgrade for £20.
I mentioned this on the audiotron support list too as I know there are some UK fans there.
The very next day Turtlebeach gave us on the list a 'preview' of a press release they would do about the UK Audiotron.
I got in touch with the distributors on the off chance I could buy from there instead.  It did not look likely initially, especially given their planned RRP of £320.
It was only on the day the US buy list was to close that they came back with a better offer, which I put to the group.
 
I understand you are angry about something, but I resent the implication that I planned to rubbish the Rio and then organise a bulk buy of the Audiotron.
 
And for your information, I was not going to ask for money up front as I didn't with the memory buy, but as someone on the list pointed out, most of these people are complete strangers to me and it is a lot of money to risk if anyone changest heir mind at the last minute, so it would be wiser to ask for money in advance.
 
As I have said before, nobody HAS to take part in a buy and nobody is being prevented >from
If you don't like it, don't join it, but that doesn't mean you should try to stop it if other people are happy to go ahead.
 
 
 
Tony
 

 -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Harrison [mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 30 May 2002 10:20
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy

Tony,
 
In the last week, you seem have done nothing but send me messages telling me that I have wasted my money in buying a Rio, and by implication wasted the money of 40 people in the group in organising a bulk buy of them.
 
Now, having spent the last week rubbishing the competition, you announce that YOU are organising a bulk buy, at a profit, through your company, demanding cash in advance, but somehow you AREN'T a reseller?
 
Get real!
 
Mark
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: BUTLER, Tony, FM [mailto:tony.butler@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 30/05/2002 10:09
To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
Cc:
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy

OH good god - could someone please explain to me why nobody complained when I was going to get the US units and 'profit' from doing the 220v conversion?
 
BTW Dr John also, I believe, said that any future buys he did would _not_ be at cost?
 
Tony
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Harrison [mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 30 May 2002 09:56
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy

My view is that the "bulk buys" to date have been arranged for the benefit of the group, and any profits have been returned.
 
If someone's making a profit, then I think they ought to realise that they're acting as a reseller, and have the same obligations under the eyes of the law as any other reseller - like a "grace period" in which the purchaser can return the goods and demand a full refund (a legal obligation of any purchase made over the internet, under the Distance Selling Directive.)
 
Now, I realise that many of those who participate in the bulk buys are people we know, and are friends with, but in the recent bulk buy I arranged for Rios, I didn't recognise half of the names!

In that case, the purchase was made directly between the individuals and SonicBlue UK - I didn't receive any money either profit or commission.
 
However, if I'd done a "send me your cheques" deal, and something had gone wrong, then I'd have been PERSONALLY liable for making good under the eyes of the law, if one of these unknown-to-me people had demanded a replacement / repair / refund.
 
I think that if something's a "UKHA Bulk Buy", then it should be understood that there's no profit, and this is simply a group of friends purchasing in union. And I believe that the courts would understand that... the moment there's a "I'm buying this, send me cash in advance, and I'm making a profit" then that disappears.
 
John Tankard, and Gareth Cook, in the WAP and Fuji purchases all made it clear that this was "at cost", and any over-payments would be refunded.
 
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McCall [mailto:mark@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 30/05/2002 09:33
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Cc:
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy

> In the spirit of other bulk buys, I will reveal that I am making a _small_
> profit on this

I have been contacted by a member of the list asking me for guidelines on
Bulk Buys.   He is concerned that a private individual making a profit on a
bulk buy is really no different to any other dealer advertising on this
list.

My answer is that no one is forcing anyone to take part in any bulk buy and
it would be very hard to "enforce" any guidelines.

What do others think?

Thanks

M.



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