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Mark,
I
think if you look back, you'll find that I have not sent you messages
saying
you'd wasted your money on the Rios.
I
said
I did a comparison and preferred the sound of the
Audiotron
I
said
I thought size rather than cost was the main reason to purchase the
Rio.
Some people disagreed.
I
said
the Rio sounder closer to the Audiotron if using an external amp but, IMO,
that
defeated some of the point of the Rio and I would still choose the
Audiotron.
I
said
also that the price of the Audotron solution is not as high as you
suggested in
one of your mails
And
finally, I offered you a loan of my Audiotron to see what you thought of
it.
I
would appreciate it if you could send me a copy of the message where I
said
you have wasted your money.
Also,
I think you'll find it was a couple of weeks ago that I said I would
organise a
buy of US Audiotrons, through my company (as well as the IR35 thing this
enables
people to reclaim the VAT if they are in a position to do so), and that I
would
offer a 220v upgrade for £20.
I
mentioned this on the audiotron support list too as I know there are
some
UK fans there.
The
very next day Turtlebeach gave us on the list a 'preview' of a press
release
they would do about the UK Audiotron.
I
got
in touch with the distributors on the off chance I could buy from there
instead. It did not look likely initially, especially given their
planned
RRP of £320.
It was
only on the day the US buy list was to close that they came back with a
better
offer, which I put to the group.
I
understand you are angry about something, but I resent the implication that
I
planned to rubbish the Rio and then organise a bulk buy of the
Audiotron.
And
for your information, I was not going to ask for money up front as I didn't
with
the memory buy, but as someone on the list pointed out, most of these
people are
complete strangers to me and it is a lot of money to risk if anyone
changest
heir mind at the last minute, so it would be wiser to ask for money in
advance.
As I
have said before, nobody HAS to take part in a buy and nobody is being
prevented
>from
If you
don't like it, don't join it, but that doesn't mean you should try to stop
it if
other people are happy to go ahead.
Tony
Tony,
In the last week, you seem have done nothing but send me messages
telling
me that I have wasted my money in buying a Rio, and by implication wasted
the
money of 40 people in the group in organising a bulk buy of them.
Now, having spent the last week rubbishing the competition, you
announce
that YOU are organising a bulk buy, at a profit, through your company,
demanding cash in advance, but somehow you AREN'T a reseller?
Get real!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: BUTLER, Tony,
FM [mailto:tony.butler@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 30/05/2002 10:09
To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
Cc:
Subject:
RE: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy
OH
good god - could someone please explain to me why nobody complained when I
was going to get the US units and 'profit' from doing the 220v
conversion?
BTW Dr John also, I believe, said that any future buys he did
would _not_ be at cost?
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Harrison
[mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 30 May 2002
09:56
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d]
UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy
My view is that the "bulk buys" to date have been arranged for the
benefit of the group, and any profits have been returned.
If someone's making a profit, then I think they ought to realise that
they're acting as a reseller, and have the same obligations under the eyes
of the law as any other reseller - like a "grace period" in which the
purchaser can return the goods and demand a full refund (a legal
obligation of any purchase made over the internet, under the Distance
Selling Directive.)
Now, I realise that many of those who participate in the bulk buys
are people we know, and are friends with, but in the recent bulk buy I
arranged for Rios, I didn't recognise half of the names!
In that
case, the purchase was made directly between the individuals and SonicBlue
UK - I didn't receive any money either profit or commission.
However, if I'd done a "send me your cheques" deal, and something had
gone wrong, then I'd have been PERSONALLY liable for making good under the
eyes of the law, if one of these unknown-to-me people had demanded a
replacement / repair / refund.
I think that if something's a "UKHA Bulk Buy", then it should be
understood that there's no profit, and this is simply a group of friends
purchasing in union. And I believe that the courts would understand
that... the moment there's a "I'm buying this, send me cash in advance,
and I'm making a profit" then that disappears.
John Tankard, and Gareth Cook, in the WAP and Fuji purchases all made
it clear that this was "at cost", and any over-payments would be
refunded.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark
McCall [mailto:mark@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 30/05/2002
09:33
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Cc:
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk
Buy
> In the spirit of other bulk buys, I will reveal
that I am making a _small_
> profit on this
I have been
contacted by a member of the list asking me for guidelines on
Bulk
Buys. He is concerned that a private individual making a
profit on a
bulk buy is really no different to any other dealer
advertising on this
list.
My answer is that no one is forcing
anyone to take part in any bulk buy and
it would be very hard to
"enforce" any guidelines.
What do others
think?
Thanks
M.
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