Re: Re: OT - DVD writers

["Jason Lee" <jasonjlee@xxxxxxx>]

To me, anything that is important enough to not lose, I wouldn't trust the<= BR> backup to a single hd.

They fail.

As they did when *TWO* 75Gig Ibms died without warning, taking 2 weeks of coding with it. (I was lucky I had been backing up to the dvd-ram before then). As your in IT I think you will know the drives I am referring too. I=
had them just after launch when the great reviews were around, before the faulty units started to appear. If I remember correctly it was something to=
do with when they bought the Hungary factory online. I don't make the same<= BR> mistake twice, so I won't trust HD for backups again.

Now HD space cheaper than dvd-r?

89p for 4.3g DVD-RW
Say 10 disks.. =C2=A38.90. 43gig..
Now you have to factor in the cost of the dvd-r etc,etc, but as I said
before dvd writers have side benefits.
(But then in your example you factor in the pc which you costed at =C2=A320= 0.)

And you have to manage the media, but thats not too bad.

What I'm after is an affordable DVD autoloader. If Yamaha Japan would just<= BR> reply to my emails..

Anyway, I think we can agree to disagree. To each his own.

J

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Harrison" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers


> Jason,
>
> As I said - "if your requirement is simply _backup_".
>
> I _am_ prepared to put _backups_ on a non-RAID HDD... because _backup_=
means "spare copy".
>
> I was over-simplifying about the archive usage - the HDD is question i= s,
itself, backed up, to an Application Service Provider with a full HSM backu= p
offering that does a full delta-block backup... I'm guessing, however, that=
this would be out of Ray's price range if he's talking about buying a
DVD-writer :-)
>
> The point was that hard disk space is, now, rather cheaper than tape, = or
blank optical media... so if the solution really is a _backup_, a copy to another PC is actually the cheapest way to go. I know that a number of
people on this group use _removable_ IDE drives for this purpose...
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Lee [mailto:jasonjlee@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Sat 06/07/2002 11:49
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx > Cc:
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers
>
>
>
> Um, I would have said the same thing before I experienced IBM hard dri= ves
a
> while ago.
>
> As a cheap solution, yeah maybe. But Hard Disks fail..
>
> I bet you don't put any data you couldn't live without on that system = at
> work, unless its raided?
>
> Plus having a dvdwriter has side benefits.
>
> The 'which disk is that on' I am working on.. Once I've got the projec= ts
> I've already started finished!
>
> oh and double sided disks are around for dvd-r.. not sure of the quali= ty
> though.
>
> J
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mark_harrison_uk1" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx&= gt;
> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:43 AM
> Subject: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers
>
>
> Ray,
>
> If you requirement is simply backup for that kind of data volume,
> there's a more cost-effective, and fast solution than either you
> propose.
>
> A second PC (second-hand, a P2 would be fine), with a, say, 60Gb HDD > in it, a couple of network cards and a crossover cable - and lo, your<= BR> > ideal backup solution for about =C2=A3200.
>
> It's what I do at home for backup... it's also what we now do at work<= BR> > for long-term archiving of the digital images for the comet website! > The cost equation of hardware was about the same, but once you took > into account the indexing problem (which CD is that photo on)... it > became an obvious thing to do.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> --- In ukha_d@y..., "Ray Barnett" <lists@t...> wrote:<= BR> > > Hi,
> >
> > Just wanted a quick bit of advice since I gather some people here=
> use them a
> > fair bit...
> >
> > I urgently need to implement a backup system capable of looking > after my
> > rapidly growing 20GBs of digital photos.
> >
> > Current favourites are a DVD writer or an Onstream 60GB tape thin= gy.
> > However, I've just confused myself over the compatibilities of th= e
> various
> > DVD writers. Just how compatible is a DVD-R writer, and is it a > dead duck
> > now that DVD+R is getting more popular?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ray Barnett.
>
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