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RE: Digital Out???


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  • Subject: RE: Digital Out???
  • From: "Phillip Harris" <phil@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:35:44 +0100
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I don't think I have neglected the marketing angle - I just didn't think it necessary to bring it in!
 
Chris is making the assumption that you have just confirmed - "It has a digital out which is always live so it must all be AC-3 or DTS!" $ky can't afford the bandwidth to transmit everything in AC-3 or DTS but the *TECHNOLOGY* is there to do it ... they'll tell their customers that they *CAN* do it and let the customer assume that they will do it. Just because most of it is still PCM stereo / ProLogic - well, most people won't notice will they?
 
$ky will make little extra cash from the perception that they broadcast AC-3/DTS but they will make a sh*tload more by flogging more channels (and hence using up that bandwidth that would have been used for the decent audio tracks) so which will they go with?
 
Chris will get Dolby Surround from the analogue audio outs from his TiVo and really good AC-3/DTS from the digital out on his DVD player ... I don't think that a PCM bitstream output from a $ky box that *occasionally* carries multi-channel audio is worth Jack Schitt at the moment and certainly would not be the reason to go to $ky+.
 
Phil 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Morris [mailto:timothy.morris@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 23 June 2002 12:23
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] Digital Out???

While your argument is perfectly sound Phil, as are the technical issues, you have of course neglected to consider the marketing angle fully. Sky don’t make a huge amount of money out of flogging boxes, they are determined one way or another to increase each household’s monthly subscription spend. I’ve always taken the whole lot, and my subscription has increased from 26.99 in ’96 to 34.00 today. What they are hoping is that when I install Sky plus, I keep the second box and take out a mirror subscription – which will increase my monthly spend to 56 quid straight away (I’m not going to so it will only go up to 44!)

 

Their business model relies on squeezing every penny they can out of their existing subscribers, and as witnessed here they will continue to use the Dolby digital angle in their advertising, because most people think they will get digital audio on everything that they watch, and the fact that the led is live with a PCM soundtrack won’t do anything to destroy the myth.

 

Sky to tend to be a law unto themselves, BUT the last thing they want is a furore fanned by Nicky Campbell when the general public do give into the advertising and they see a huge reduction in the number of films that are broadcast in dolby 5.1

 

Tim

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Harris [mailto:phil@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 23 June 2002 11:09
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] Digital Out???

 


> I finally had my new hifi system with full surround sound
> yesterday and it sounds amazing with movies etc.  I'm now
> really disappointed that there's no digital out for
> Dolby/DTS, I take it no one has found any mods on this?
>
> Has anyone here got Sky+ just wondering how it compares to
> the tivo as im seriously thinking of trading mine in now for
> it, as the deciding factor has to me surround sound now!

Remember Chris that just having a digital out on the back of the box
doesn't necessarily mean that you'll get AC-3 or DTS all the time ...
Most TV shows are recorded or mixed in stereo - at best you get dolby
surround - neither of which will be significantly improved by being fed
as a digital bitstream to an AV amp. Mixing an audio track in AC-3 or
DTS is just too expensive to do for "normal" TV programmes!

Surround sound can be carried by plain stereo audio connections whether
they're left/right analogue stereo or a PCM stereo bitstream.

Films on the other hand are slightly different as they are usually
supplied to $ky with their AC-3 or DTS soundtracks intact so $ky can
broadcast those at no extra "cost" to them...

...or can they?

You see $ky already have bandwidth problems ... They already restrict
the data rates for their channels to pack more in and unlike DVD players
(which can downmix AC-3 or DTS into ProLogic) Sky boxes can't do
anything with an AC-3 or DTS bitstream other than ignore it so any film
that is broadcast with an AC-3 or DTS soundtrack *HAS* to have its
ProLogic (stereo) audio track broadcast too as well as the video ...

This increases the bandwidth required to transmit the film quite
significantly so although there's no direct "money" value associated
with transmitting AC-3 or DTS there is a hidden money value in the
additional bandwidth required which can only get tighter and tighter as
time goes on.

T.B.H. I think you'll find that *LESS* films get transmitted in anything
more than plain old stereo / ProLogic as time goes on and more channels
are added to the soup that's there already - unless of course they lob
up a few more satellites to increase the available bandwidth!

Phil


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