RE: Interesting Concept... or complete idiocy?

["Phil Harris" <phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx>]

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I forgot to mention that it also isn't as conveniently cased as a plug in appliance module...

 

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Whyte [mailto:lists@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 20 February 2002 20:32
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] Interesting Concept... or complete idiocy?

D'oh, ignore the last message, just me typing b4 thinking!

 

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Harris [mailto:phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 20 February 2002 20:26
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] Interesting Concept... or complete idiocy?

About a tenner more than an appliance module...

 

...plus no current sensed local control....

 

...plus no "latching" output (so loses status when power removed).

 

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Whyte [mailto:lists@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 20 February 2002 20:15
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] Interesting Concept... or complete idiocy?

Alan,

 

Have you looked into building one of these??  Any ideas of approx cost?

 

Cheers

 

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Shields [mailto:alan@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 20 February 2002 20:03
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: Re: [ukha_d] Interesting Concept... or complete idiocy?

take a look at
http://www.cix.co.uk/~pplunkett/x10.htm

Alan Shields
alan@xxxxxxx
On Wednesday, February 20, 2002, at 06:34 pm, Ian Lowe wrote:

I am fishing for the views of experts before comitting time to something
that's obviouslly flawed.

As I understand it, X-10 signalling is basically this:

You place (and detect) a 1ms wide pulse of 120khz with an amplitude of as
little as .1v 20ms or so after the zero crossing, such that after an agreed
pre-amble, a burst means "1" and no burst means "0" this transmits house
code, unit code, command a couple of times for redundancy.

Now, I saw some articles about improving X-10 range and reliability, which
all centred around improving how accurately the reciever circuit was tuned
to 120khz, and this got me thinking..

It started as "what if the 120khz oscillator was *very* precise?" I figured
a PIC Chip with an XTAL clock could be that precise, and then I figured, why
bother?

Why not just use the ADC in the PIC chip to analyse the powerline as an
analog signal, and watch for a burst of "noise" in the right place on the
wave?

I figure if I used a large resistor to limit the current, and used some
circuit arrangement to "crop" the powerline "signal" so that I was only
looking at the segment from -10 to +10 I would be able to do some simple DSP
on the line to watch for firstly, the zero cross, then a pulse of "something
kinda like 120khz" in the right place.

As i recall, if you want to recognise (and replicate) a signal, your sample
rate needs to be at least double the signal rate. so, for a 120khz signal,
you would want to be sampling at 240khz. Given that even the fairly basic
PIC12C jobs have a 10Mz clock, I'm sure sampling at 240khz wouldn't be
stressing things too much!

Just wondering if you could implement a basic X-10 module with very little
in the way of components?

Does this seem deeply ridiculous? or just technically too bothersome? or
might it even work?

Ian.

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