RE: 2Mbps ADSL for 39.99 a month (in london)

["James Winspear" <james.winspear@xxxxxxx>]

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Gale [mailto:groups@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: 13 December 2002 15:46
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] 2Mbps ADSL for 39.99 a month (in london)



Chris - I wish you'd stop depressing me with these kind of stories :-(
I'm still struggling with BT and their poxy Satellite service since
nothing else available here.



[JW] Paul, I'd be very interested to hear why you're struggling with
the
BTopenworld satellite service? (It's my only decent Broadband option as
well)



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Bond [mailto:chris@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: 13 December 2002 15:07
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: [ukha_d] 2Mbps ADSL for 39.99 a month (in london)

The release of this product is a much needed boost to the future of LLU
and shows what can be done by companies who target a specific need.
Bulldog normally provide services to business users, so outside
business
hours their network is likely to have plenty of spare capacity, which
explains the variable speed nature of the service.



[JW] Incredible isn't it - that 3 years after ADSL was launched
(trialled for the lawyers amongst us), someone's realised that Business
Users will typically be 9-5, and home users will be outside these
hours!
One of the major problems with LLU is simply the cost (likewise with
BTWholesale ADSL).  A DSLAM is NOT cheap, neither is the
backhaul.  I
guess that Bulldog are going to continue to focus on the MAJOR
metropolitan areas (perhaps London only), as basically the provision of
unbundled or BTWholesale xDSL services is entirely based upon cost and
the projected revenue streams.  Even at UKP29, a normal ADSL
service
will not break even for many years.  IMHO, the major reason why we
haven't got ADSL in all/most of the 6000 odd exchanges is nothing to do
with LLU, but rather the sheer economics of it - and if BT really
wanted
to, they could create the market (just like in other countries with
other incumbents).  I'm sure in time there'll be a gradual drip-feed
of
exchanges meeting their trigger-values slowly over the next few years.
[My exchange registration level is currently 15!] Whinge, moan...


The challenge now for Bulldog is to get plenty of users connected to
the
service, and use this customer base to add further exchanges to their
LLU plans. At last we can start to see competition appearing in the LLU
market and most shockingly it is in the consumer arena. 



[JW]  I'd guess that the primary revenue stream here is the
Business
users, and that the residential users simply help by better utilisation
outside Business Hours.  [Although any customer (residential or
business) will still take up a port on the DSLAM card, and have an
associated cost]


It will be interesting to see what response if any BT Wholesale have,
this news increases the pressure for a broadening of their product
portfolio and must raise questions of if Bulldog can do it for this
price, why cant BT Wholesale!



[JW]  Why did BT never provide a clear dial-up, to HH, to Midband
(e.g.
a 128/256 ADSL service) and then upsell to ADSL-512k, and then to
ADSL-2M (with streaming or Video-on-Demand)? Because it is BT!







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