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RE: pissed off


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  • Subject: RE: pissed off
  • From: "Nikola Kasic" <nikola@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:14:07 +0100
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It's not a problem,
It's just a shame that one small misunderstanding (or bad wording on my side) wasted so much everyone's energy.
I came from 3 weeks holiday and had to read through 1,600 messages, so really was in a hurry and didn't care much about wording. Then it triggered all this...
Anyway, back to work :-)....
Good luck with the project.
Nik
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:armagh@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 12 August 2002 11:53
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: Re: [ukha_d] pissed off

Hi Nik
        Firstly i would like to apologise for over reacting to your comment .As you say in a normal situation that comment would probably go unnoticed.
    You are of course correct in saying that my documentation is a lot to be desired . This is something that im going to have to work on . My website was done by my son Daniel with my content and even though it may not be up to the standard of most ,its web presence and better than nothing IMHO.
   
 My project has at the moment is still a prototype but hopefully soon will be beta testing it . If all goes well and it meets the beta testers expectations we can then look at some sort of interface to use with a pc .
 
Frank Mc
 
 
 
 
 
 
      
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] pissed off

Hi Keith,
Thanks for your views, didn't want to discourage anyone.
Non of you live of HA development and we all have other priorities in life, so it's understandable that all the projects take longer that you would like. If you do it professionally, they would cost like professional equipment...
My comments were written mostly in frustration because the equipment I would like to install either doesn't exist or is not affordable. Frank's equipment seemed so close to what I needed that the disappointment was huge when I realized that I cannot use it. Especially when he implied that it's my fault and I had my chance...
Maybe childlish a bit from my side, but that's what SWMBO thinks of me anyway when HA is in question.
One more observation. When you started your switcher project, I wasn't member of this group, neither had a clue about HA. Even when I joined, distributing audio wasn't looking too interesting, it became interesting just recently, when I got an oportunity to put all the cables in walls. The similar is with IR distribution, without prospect of putting cables it was simply not looking too interesting. Maybe I buy HV in an year time and suddenly everything will get different perspective and different projects will suddenly become interesting.
I think that similar is happening not only to me, but to many people on the group, so during the life of such projects, many people become interested or dis-interested because their circumstances change in meantime. It's nobody's fault, just a fact of life, which is sometimes frustrating.
The difference between your, Graham's and Frank's project is that your's and Graham's are much better documented on the web site and one knows exactly what to expect >from misunderstanding.
Also, comment about switcher, and how long does it take to develop wasn't supposed to be offensive.
This group I took as a small community, where members are considered as friends so not every single word needs to be weighted. On the contrary I spent last few days appologizing for something that, if said in a pub would have nowhere near such consequences. I took as a granted that all people in this group are positive towards HA and that needs not to be questioned, however I found myself in a position that I need to explain that. It's a bit waste of everyone's energy. I still beleive that there's not a single member in this group that joined the group with intention of discouraging and disturbing any projects. If sometimetimes it's not clear from wording, I attribute it to not having time to re-read own mails and read hundred other mails posted in groups daily, rather than some bad intentions.
I am going into shadow for a while, I am not too time efficient with such correspondences :-).
And, of course, good luck with everyone's projects.
I would like to help with most of them, but I simple can't because I don't have HV, nor most of relevant HA equipment.
Cheers,
Nik
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Doxey [mailto:lists.diyha@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 11 August 2002 23:09
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] pissed off

Hi Nik,
 
I havent commented until now but here are my thoughts......
 
I AM getting pissed off by some of the comments being made and the lack of support for some members of the list. I wasnt particularly offended by your comment as I am aware that I am well behind schedule with my development plans.
 
I have always designed and built my own bits of kit to suit my needs and it is encouraging to see other members of the list tackling their own projects and making the results available to others.
 
It can be a soul destroying task trying to get something working, either hardware or software, but the buzz when it finally comes together is superb. People need ENCOURAGEMENT for what they are doing. The only acceptable forms of negative feedback are reports of the project not doing what it was INTENDED to do, NOT slating someones efforts because it wasnt designed to do what you want it to do. Most of the projects under development have been discussed at the design stage with progress reports during protoyping, this means that people have had plenty of opportunities to add their input.
 
The reason for homebrew projects is primarily the lack of a commercial equivalent or not being able to afford the commercial offerings. For that reason alone, it is obvious that the designer would build it to fully meet his/her needs. The ability to also accomodate the wishes of others is a bonus but it should be remembered that it is still the designers OWN needs that take priority.

Ian's work on the IR repeater has made fantastic progress from the humble beginnings of Nigels circuit and ideas that I gave to Ian based on my own experiments with bi-directional IR. He has also gone on to create several other useful gizmo's using self taught PIC programming skills (plus a few late night phone calls to me)

Frank has also spent a lot of time developing his IR zoning system which although I havent followed it too closely I can see exactly what he is designing. To me, his system seems a viable system utilising the power of HomeVision for the complex task of decoding and transmiting IR and controlling the switching circuitry that does the actual zoning. Porting this to another intelligent IR system should be relatively simple.

Graham and Andy have also done some great work with HomeAutomator, again HomeVision centric at the moment but designed to accomodate whatever hardware someone has at a later date

Developing HA hardware/software requires two main things....

1. the technical ability

2. the infrastructure to develop for.

If you own a HomeVision that would be the obvious platform that you would initially develop for.

I am WELL AWARE that my own KAT5 development is behind schedule but things always take much longer than anticipated to get through the design stage. Mark McCall saw the first KAT5 prototypes in January 1998 but it was May 2001 until it was actually launched. The switcher is far more complex than the basic KAT5 units and the last thing I want is to release a unit that does not perform in the way that I want it to.

I am making every effort to get the KAT5 switcher finished as early as possible but please remember that this is my HOBBY. I have a day job that pays the bills but keeps me away from home for 12 hours per day. I also have a Wife and 5 year old daughter who like to see me occasionally.

...... anyway, thats how I currently feel.

Keith

www.diyha.co.uk
www.kat5.tv

-----Original Message-----
From: Nikola Kasic [mailto:nikola@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 10 August 2002 16:31
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] pissed off

Sorry Frank,
You're right, Keith already did great things for this group. Supposed to be funny, but obviously not.
I'll shut up....
Sorry if anyone offended, especially Keith
Nik
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:armagh@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 09 August 2002 23:02
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: [ukha_d] pissed off

Nik
 
Comments like this one REALLY pisses  me Off even though your not refering to my project . If people like you want all the bells and whistles you have a price to pay and thats dfevelopement time . The person developing this product is paying a higher price in that he has less time to spend (and probably out of pocket) with his family as all his spare time is taken up trying to provide people like you a cost effective solution to your wants and needs......
 
 
Frank Mc
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:28 AM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: Hv multizone ir system Costing

 
Should I wait, or it will end up like famous switcher....:-).
Cheers,
Nik


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