----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:49
AM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] pissed off
Hi
Keith,
Thanks for your
views, didn't want to discourage anyone.
Non of you live
of HA development and we all have other priorities in life, so it's
understandable that all the projects take longer that you would like. If
you
do it professionally, they would cost like professional
equipment...
My comments
were
written mostly in frustration because the equipment I would like to install
either doesn't exist or is not affordable. Frank's equipment seemed so
close
to what I needed that the disappointment was huge when I realized that I
cannot use it. Especially when he implied that it's my fault and I had my
chance...
Maybe childlish
a bit from my side, but that's what SWMBO thinks of me anyway when HA is in
question.
One more
observation. When you started your switcher project, I wasn't member of
this
group, neither had a clue about HA. Even when I joined, distributing audio
wasn't looking too interesting, it became interesting just recently, when I
got an oportunity to put all the cables in walls. The similar is with IR
distribution, without prospect of putting cables it was simply not looking
too interesting. Maybe I buy HV in an year time and suddenly everything
will
get different perspective and different projects will suddenly become
interesting.
I think that
similar is happening not only to me, but to many people on the group, so
during the life of such projects, many people become interested or
dis-interested because their circumstances change in meantime. It's
nobody's
fault, just a fact of life, which is sometimes
frustrating.
The difference
between your, Graham's and Frank's project is that your's and Graham's are
much better documented on the web site and one knows exactly what to expect
>from
misunderstanding.
Also, comment
about switcher, and how long does it take to develop wasn't supposed to be
offensive.
This group I
took as a small community, where members are considered as friends so not
every single word needs to be weighted. On the contrary I spent last few
days appologizing for something that, if said in a pub would have nowhere
near such consequences. I took as a granted that all people in this group
are positive towards HA and that needs not to be questioned, however I
found
myself in a position that I need to explain that. It's a bit waste of
everyone's energy. I still beleive that there's not a single member in this
group that joined the group with intention of discouraging and disturbing
any projects. If sometimetimes it's not clear from wording, I attribute it
to not having time to re-read own mails and read hundred other mails posted
in groups daily, rather than some bad intentions.
I am going into
shadow for a while, I am not too time efficient with such correspondences
:-).
And, of course,
good luck with everyone's projects.
I would like to
help with most of them, but I simple can't because I don't have HV, nor
most
of relevant HA equipment.
Cheers,
Nik
-----Original
Message-----
From: Keith Doxey
[mailto:lists.diyha@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 11 August 2002
23:09
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d]
pissed off
Hi
Nik,
I havent
commented until now but here are my thoughts......
I
AM getting pissed off by some of the comments being made and the lack of
support for some members of the list. I wasnt particularly offended by
your comment as I am aware that I am well behind schedule with my
development plans.
I
have always designed and built my own bits of kit to suit my needs and it
is encouraging to see other members of the list tackling their own
projects and making the results available to others.
It can be a soul destroying task trying to get something working,
either hardware or software, but the buzz when it finally comes together
is superb. People need ENCOURAGEMENT for what they are doing. The only
acceptable forms of negative feedback are reports of the project not doing
what it was INTENDED to do, NOT slating someones efforts because it wasnt
designed to do what you want it to do. Most of the projects
under development have been discussed at the design stage with progress
reports during protoyping, this means that people have had plenty of
opportunities to add their input.
The reason for homebrew projects is primarily the lack of a
commercial equivalent or not being able to afford the commercial
offerings. For that reason alone, it is obvious that the designer would
build it to fully meet his/her needs. The ability to also accomodate the
wishes of others is a bonus but it should be remembered that it is still
the designers OWN needs that take priority.
Ian's work on the IR repeater has made
fantastic progress from the humble beginnings of Nigels circuit and ideas
that I gave to Ian based on my own experiments with bi-directional IR. He
has also gone on to create several other useful gizmo's using self taught
PIC programming skills (plus a
few late night phone calls to me)
Frank has also spent a lot of time developing
his IR zoning system which although I havent followed it too closely I can
see exactly what he is designing. To me, his system seems a viable system
utilising the power of HomeVision for the complex task of decoding and
transmiting IR and controlling the switching circuitry that does the
actual zoning. Porting this to another intelligent IR system should be
relatively simple.
Graham and Andy have also done some great work
with HomeAutomator, again HomeVision centric at the moment but designed to
accomodate whatever hardware someone has at a later date
Developing HA hardware/software requires two main
things....
1. the technical ability
2. the infrastructure to develop
for.
If you own a HomeVision that would be the
obvious platform that you would initially develop for.
I am WELL AWARE that my own KAT5 development is
behind schedule but things always take much longer than anticipated to get
through the design stage. Mark McCall saw the first KAT5 prototypes in
January 1998 but it was May 2001 until it was actually launched. The
switcher is far more complex than the basic KAT5 units and the last thing
I want is to release a unit that does not perform in the way that I want
it to.
I am making every effort to get the KAT5
switcher finished as early as possible but please remember that this is my
HOBBY. I have a day job that pays the bills but keeps me away from home
for 12 hours per day. I also have a Wife and 5 year old daughter who like
to see me occasionally.
...... anyway, thats how I currently feel.
Keith
www.diyha.co.uk
www.kat5.tv
Sorry
Frank,
You're
right, Keith already did great things for this group. Supposed to be
funny, but obviously not.
I'll shut
up....
Sorry if
anyone offended, especially Keith
Nik
Nik
Comments like this one REALLY pisses
me Off even though your not refering to my project . If people
like you want all the bells and whistles you have a price to pay and
thats dfevelopement time . The person developing this product is
paying a higher price in that he has less time to spend (and probably
out of pocket) with his family as all his spare time is taken up
trying to provide people like you a cost effective solution to your
wants and needs......
Frank Mc
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002
12:28 AM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: Hv
multizone ir system Costing
Should I wait, or it will end up like famous
switcher....:-).
Cheers,
Nik
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