RE: Re: URGENT - Please Read

["Ben McCormack" <ben.mccormack@xxxxxxx>]

Hi

I know that not all people may like this but what about setting up
another group to discuss this issue (OT posts), the other group can 
go
away and chat and argue about this and then present its findings back
to
the main group. Possibly returning with 3 options that can be voted on.
This is how a company would handle this.

This way only the people who wish to discuss this do.

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Whyte [mailto:lists@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: 12 August 2002 12:38
To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: URGENT - Please Read


<RANT MODE ON>

GOD!! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

Tony, I think by now we ALL know what you are trying to say.

Mark originally posted asking people to VOTE about the list, not start
a
huge discussion on what should be done about OT posts, so can we PLEASE
stop this going over and over the same thing.

Thank you

<RANT MODE OFF>

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: BUTLER, Tony, FM [mailto:roaming@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 12 August 2002 12:30
To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: URGENT - Please Read


> > Not most, certainly a vocal minority.  Most ppl don't seem
to post
> 
> Do you know this for a FACT, do you know that it's a MINORITY? I'd
be
> interested to know how... I think this is why Mark wants the vote, so
> that he can find out if it is the minority .. 

Oh god - look have you been following my posts?
I was trying to say that we should not assume everyone wants change
because a few people complain.

I know for a FACT that there are 652 members of the group - the front
page for it on Yahoo tells me this. If I could be arsed, and I really
can't, I could go count and prove for a FACT that < 50% of these
have
posted in say the last 6 months. I'm sure Mark can confirm that he has
not had complaining emails from > 326 members.

> > It would be wrong at this stage to assume most ppl do not like
OT
> stuff
> > because a few ppl (long standing, wel respected or otherwise)
have 
> > complained....
> 
> as it would be wrong to assume whoever complained was in the
> minority... we don't know the numbers... so let's just wait and
see...

OH ffs, don't turn this into a pissing contest please or start getting
all pedantic.

I am not saying I know for a FACT that the majority are happy/unhappy
with the things the way they are, just that we shouldn't assume
anything.

Certainly a number of posters (and posters seem to be in the minority
compared to lurkers) are unhappy and at least some of those have made
their feelings known - so certainly a vocal minority are unhappy. 
It
may be more than a minority, it may not that's all I'm saying.


Tony



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