RE: OT: New Speed Camera's

[Keith Doxey <ukha@xxxxxxx>]

Likewise.

We have a demo system at work which reads numberplates as people drive in
the main gate to the site as <5mph. It doesnt always read it right even
with
good lighting.

To read a number plate at 60+mph would need some pretty serious CPU time.

"Upto 500 metres apart".... at 60mph this is about 16 seconds
maximum for
the calculation to be made. At the same time the system would probably have
another 30 vehicles it was trying to track under the cameras.

Radar speed detection and Still frame analasis of a speeding vehicle would
be MUCH simpler and the system would only deal with speeding vehicles
rather
than looking at every vehicle as would be the case with what is described
below.

My opinion is "Urban Myth" or attempt to clog email systems just
like virus
hoaxes.

Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Gordon [mailto:paul_gordon@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 15 June 2001 08:04
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT: New Speed Camera's


Hmmm... I am *EXTREMELY* sceptical about this...

I have an inbuilt alarm mechanism that triggers whenever I see an email
with
the words "Please forward this mail to as many people as
possible"

It's just gone *DING*

It all sounds very convincing, BUT, as someone said, there has been no
mention of this in the national press, on TV, or on Radio, there is not a
single word mentioned about this on either the AA's or RAC's websites, (The
RAC mentions the introduction of a "hi-tech" speed camera, but
that is NOT
this system - it is a single camera on the M11 about 5 minutes from where I
live)

Basically nothing is being said about this by any "reputable"
source - (no
disrespect intended to your mates in the force...)

You mention that it is being debated in parliament, do you know in which
House? and do you know as part of which bill? - I've just had a quick scan
of Hansard and can find (thus far) no mention of such a debate..
>From what I can see, there is currently only 1 bill going through that
deals
with speed cameras, the "Vehicles (Crime) Bill"

I've got some contacts who have access to some Govt. ministers and some V.
senior civil servants, I will ask them if they have see if they can sniff
out any info about this too.

Personally, I am still inclined to treat this as a hoax - it looks to me
like virus -mail!

Paul G.



>From: "Campbell Macdonald" <campbell@xxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT: New Speed Camera's
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:13:51 +0100
>
>Additional info..
>We have just received this from mates in the police.
>Be aware of the new speed cameras which are being
>erected the complete length of the 'A' and 'M Roads.
>They are recognised by tall blue coloured poles and a
>small aerial pole next to it. We may have a possible
>stay of execution, due to the privacy law up-holding
>these units from being switched on. At the moment it
>is being debated within Parliament.
>SPEEDCHECK SVVD or SPECS went on-line last weekend on
>the M1, netting 4,300 offenders in a single day. The
>system does not use instantaneous speed like the
>cameras we're all familiar with, instead measuring the
>average speed of every vehicle over a distance of
>about a mile.
>How? By reading your license plates and matching them
>up camera -to-camera. Kent and Leicestershire police
>are so impressed with it that systems are being
>erected in their enforcement areas too. This is a new
>system that has now entered service after successful
>trials on the M1 and M20 in the UK.
>SPEEDCHECK SVDD (Sureway Video Detection Device) is a
>system similar in concept to the GATSO, but with a new
>twist. SVDD deploys cameras at either end of a
>measured baseline, (up to 500 metres) to monitor
>vehicles 24 hours a day. Using machine vision,
>vehicle number plates are read, and the precise time
>of each observation recorded and as a vehicle passes
>the second camera, the number plate records are
>matched, and an average speed for the vehicle is
>calculated. If this is above the trigger speed, then
>the vehicle's identification is recorded along with
>it's speed. It is also flashed up on a huge
>illuminated sign further down the road to embarrass
>the driver into slowing down. When triggered, the
>detection technology used in these cameras
>automatically records the date, precise time, location
>and speed of the offending vehicle, along with a
>detailed image of the front of the vehicle, which
>clearly records the number plate, make, model, who is
>driving and colour of the vehicle.
>There's five overriding reasons for the habitual
>speeder to be afraid of this system. Or may be there
>could be the implication of a sixth reason, What if
>s/he is not your fulltime other half!
>1. It works 24 hours a day.
>2. Needs no film!
>3. Uses no flash!
>4. Uses no radar!...So, bad luck all
>those of you who think that radar detectors work.
>5. It's been proven to be over 99%
>accurate in almost all weather conditions.
>It doesn't do spot-speed checking. A GATSO can only
>check the speed of a vehicle within a certain range,
>so the tactic most drivers use now is to slow down for
>the camera and then speed up again once past it.
>SPEEDCHECK measures average speed over a known
>distance. So if you do 60mph under each camera and
>then speed up to 80 mph in between, your average speed
>is likely to be near 70mph - 10 over the limit
>imposed, you're nicked. SVDD say this means that the
>system can impose a far smoother flow of traffic
>eliminating slow-fast driving that the GATSO cameras
>provoke. Because it's
>automated, the system is entirely self-sufficient.
>It's hooked up to the DVLA computers, and can
>automatically process the fines and send out notices
>in the post.
>It's Big Brother. Don't believe for a moment that this
>technology will only be used to catch speeders. It can
>be used to keep track of where every single car in the
>country is at any given moment in time once the
>network of these things becomes broad enough. Warning
>to M25 Motorists. If you are a driver then this is
>important! Even if you aren't, you know people who
>are, so it is still important!
>Please pass this one on to as many people as you can.
>There are 60 new cameras that start operating on the
>M25 on Monday 14 June 2001. These are between the A3
>and M40. They are digital and linked direct to
>computer, use no film or flashgun. They can deal with
>60,000 tickets EVERY HOUR. The cameras are also
>(apparently) linked and can workout your average speed
>between them. So, if you speed up between them and
>slow down as you approach them, if your average speed
>is over the "legal limit + No %" threshold you may
>well get a ticket.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stuart Grimshaw" <stuart@xxxxxxx>
>To: "UKHA List" <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:06 AM
>Subject: [ukha_d] OT: New Speed Camera's
>
>
> > I just received an email about those new speed camera's going
live
> > nationally, anyone else heard such a rumor? I would have thought
it was
>big
> > news.
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