RE: New poll for ukha_d

["Paul Gordon" <paul_gordon@xxxxxxx>]

Here Here! - and sorry again for the excess traffic!

As a direct result of last nights banter, several people are now set up
with
MSN IM, and about 6 people are now added t  my buddy list thast weren't
there before...

I think Phil & I have both learned our lesson... (Paul looks
sheepish...),
and we are both now on IM and will, if the need ever arises again t 
conduct
drunken inane ramblings at 3 in the morning, use that t  do so... - anyone
who wants to join in is welcome!

Paul G.  (ba-aaaahhh)




>From: "Mick Furlong" <dorsai@xxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
>Subject: RE: [ukha_d] New poll for ukha_d
>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:14:16 +0100
>
>Sorry folks it is a year since I was on a modem link (thank heavens!),
how
>long did it take people t  download the emails from last night?
>
>In any case I think that we risk spoiling all the good stuff that comes
>through if we move stuff ont  IRC or IM. I think IRC is great for
certain
>things but it cannot replace the mailing list (and I have been using
IRC
>for
>a lot of years). Ok you can log the channels but then either someone
has t
>edit it or we will have to read through the chat t  get to the meat.
>
>As t  Phil Paul and anyone else  posting OT drunken drivel to the list
(I
>recall doing it myself on occasion) well I find it good fun. I was
stone
>cold sober last night and had a good laugh at Phil and Paul antics as
did a
>few others I think. This is supposed t  be fun lets not take it t
>seriously.
>
>So my vote is use the list for most things and IRC or IM only for
limited
>uses
>
>Mick.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kenneth Watt [mailto:kennethwatt@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 01 July 2001 19:06
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] New poll for ukha_d
> >
> >
> > One small drawback with IRC as opposed t  Instant Messaging:
> >
> > IM services are exactly what they state and almost every PC
running a
> > Win 9* platform has AOL or MSN built int  it, IRC is more of an
internet
> > die-hard format these days. Therefore IRC is not as accessible t 
new
> > users as IM services, IMO.
> >
> > I would agree that for the project that IRC is the answer, for
sure, but
> > for general chit-chat I just don't know!
> >
> > Let's face it the fact is 95% of PC's out there are running on a
Windows
> > platform, those users that are running another OS are usually
very
> > computer literate and can adapt easily t  alternatives on their
chosen
> > OS.
> >
> > K.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Calum Morrell [mailto:calum@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 01 July 2001 23:40
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] New poll for ukha_d
> >
> > Yes but that's my point .... if they have a prior inclination to
be
> > involved then IRC is a valuable t ol, and remember I said the
scripts
> > could be pasted in an email and sent to the list as well ..... so
no one
> >
> > has to miss out :-)
> >
> > People on list can still comment on the conversations from IRC as
they
> > have the script in theie email -- so no one is ruled out.
> >
> > Phil Harris wrote:
> >
> > > The problem I see with IRC is that people aren't looking in
on the
> > > conversation and contributing actively unless they have a
prior
> > inclinatiuon
> > > t  be involved.
> > >
> > > As for the large mail lists ... I have no problems with
shift-deleting
> > a
> > > swathe of emails (I do it with most of the project ones
since I'm not
> > > involved in that) but it does put some people off who aren't
so
> > dedicated t
> > > the "cause". I use ISDN t  retrieve my mail
because where I am a
> > normal
> > > modem runs at about 1.4k/sec so I do know what it's like t 
have to
> > wait for
> > > large numbers of mails t  download.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Calum Morrell [mailto:calum@xxxxxxx]
> > >> Sent: 01 July 2001 23:27
> > >> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] New poll for ukha_d
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Phil ... yes ... but no!
> > >>
> > >> Yes I agree IRC requires real time meetings .... but
these can be
> > >> arranged if necessary if there specific to something
rather than just
> > >> chatting. It's a compliment to email, not a replacement
... but it is
> > >> beneficial when groups of people need t  discuss
something ... email
> > >> *does* clog the lists and can take a long time to host a
short
> > >> disscusion. A meeting on IRC can have the scripts
recorded which can
> > >> then be edited [if neccesary] and posted as a single
email t  the
> > list,
> > >> thus reducing traffic and ensuring no one is left out
:-)
> > >>
> > >> instant messengers and related chat functions however
are more of a
> > >> problem ... I would suggest email complimented by IRC as
there are
> > many
> > >> free clients for just about every OS under the sun.
> > >>
> > >> Phil, stop apologising please, it's easy t  select the
first entry
> > and
> > >> shift select the last then press <del> ;-)
> > >>
> > >> Phil Harris wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Looking at it with my sensible hat on ... there's a
lot of
> > >>
> > >> people get a lot
> > >>
> > >>> of usefull information from the group. IRC isn't
going t  work
> > >>
> > >> s  well as it
> > >>
> > >>> depends on a conversation taking place in real time
rather than
> > >>
> > >> via email
> > >>
> > >>> where the two parties can leave and join a
"conversation" as
> > >>
> > >> they feel like
> > >>
> > >>> it and others can join in when they feel they have
something t
> > >>
> > >> contribute.
> > >>
> > >>> If people have been put off the group by last nights
sillyness then
> > I'm
> > >>> afraid thats my fault and rather than them consider
going elsewhere
> > for
> > >>> information (which I really don't think they'll get
as good support
> > >>> elsewhere as people give here) *OR* consider
fragmenting the
> > >>
> > >> list over int
> > >>
> > >>> IRC where I think lots of good information will get
missed I'll
> > >>
> > >> go walkabout
> > >>
> > >>> for a bit and let people breathe a little easier
that they
> > >>
> > >> won't get floods
> > >>
> > >>> of my conversations.
> > >>>
> > >>> Basically I think it will detract from the groups
ability t  jump in
> > on
> > >>> conversations or contribute after the fact if this
group was t
> > >>
> > >> split int
> > >>
> > >>> an IRC section and an email based section.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Phil
> > >>>
> > >> --
> > >> Calum Morrell
> > >> The Morrell Group
> > >> Tel : 0709 214 1538
> > >> Fax : 0870 131 5408
> > >>
> > >> "For as long as but a hundred of us remain alive,
never will we
> > >> on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is
not for
> > >> glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but
for
> > >> freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up
but with
> > >> life itself." From The Declaration of Arbroath
1320.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> >
> > "For as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will
we on any
> > conditions be brought under English rule. It is not for glory,
nor
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that
> > alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."
From The
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