RE: Dome Auction

["Paul Miller" <pmiller@xxxxxxx>]

hmm have we not gone Metric? mines measured in Meters ;-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McCall [mailto:mark@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 24 February 2001 22:41
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Dome Auction


Exactly Phil!!!

Real men's screens are measured in feet not inches

:-)

M.




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>Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 6:13 PM
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>Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Dome Auction
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>Yeah ... I agree that CRT projection is the way to go.
>
>However my other half isn't quite so keen on the huge lump in the
lounge!
>
>Ah well ... at least she likes watching movies on a 7ft wide screen...
>
>Phil
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Keith Doxey [mailto:ukha.diyha@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 24 February 2001 15:59
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Dome Auction
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>> We looked at the 50" plasma and ruled it out.
>>
>> The manufacturers claim "True XGA" but that is not the
case
>> Panel is 16:9 and is 1280x768 pixels.
>> If you run XGA (1024x768) you get black bars at the sides unless
>> you stretch
>> to fill which distorts the image. If you run at 1280x1024 then it
>> compressed
>> the vertical resolution down to 768 again distorting the image.
>>
>> What I wanted to find and no-one made was a 50" 4:3 plasma
@1024x768.
>>
>> Widescreen is great for Movies but no good for PC's at the
>moment because
>> everything is designed for a 4:3 ratio PC monitor.
>>
>> One further point of worry about plasma is that many DVD's are
>> 18:9 or 21:9
>> and show black bars even on a widescreen TV. with plasma this
>> means that the
>> area covered by black bars would be worked less than the centre
>> area of the
>> screen and after time full screen material would have brighter
>stripes top
>> and bottom.
>>
>> I got called out to a local pub beause their projector had a
>bright green
>> band at the top of the picture. I looked at it and thought
>that something
>> really dire had happened to the CRT projector as it was the same
on all
>> channels with the top 6 inches of the picture looking bright
>and the rest
>> being dull and generally "yucky". It was then that I
realised the
>> bottom of
>> the picture was 6 inches above the bottom of the screen.
>>
>> The screen was a pull down type and someone had pulled it down
>another 6
>> inches. The "normal" viewing area of the screen was
stained
>brown from all
>> the nicotine but the top 6" was still white where it had been
>rolled up in
>> the housing. That is the effect you would get on a plasma
>after the centre
>> was more heavily used.
>>
>> We have also just replaced a Barco 808 CRT data projector after
>> 20,000 hours
>> with a brand new Barco Cine CRT. That is the beast I would
>love but it was
>> 13500 + vat !!!
>>
>> The guns on the old Barco had weakened after all that time which
is not
>> surprising. The area of the tubes used to show the picture was
>> grey compared
>> to the unused area of phospor. You still cant beat a CRT in my
opinion.
>>
>> As you said initial impact is something you have to overcome. LCD
looks
>> brilliant when you see it briefly but you soon spot all the
>> faults with the
>> picture and the running costs are horrendous. That Barco may seem
>> expensive
>> but 16K to watch at least 10000 movies its under £1 per hour.
>Other CRT's
>> start at aroung 3 grand and are even better value for money but I
was
>> talking about the Rolls Royce of projectors :-)
>>
>> Also LCD projectors are noisy because of high speed fans to
>get rid of all
>> the heat.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phillip Harris [mailto:phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 24 February 2001 14:42
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Dome Auction
>>
>>
>> Cheers Keith.
>>
>> I've actually been *VERY* disappointed with plasma screens to
>> date ... they
>> really do seem to be the perfect solution to the old problem
>of big screen
>> TV in a typical UK sized house.
>>
>> However, I looked into the plasma screen market fairly
>carefully about 18
>> months ago when my employer was looking for something to give
>a bit of wow
>> factor to the boardroom and the only one that was in any way
>suitable for
>> what we needed (video plus graphics) was the 50" Pioneer.
When I looked
>> about 6 - 8 months ago for myself I started at the 50"
Pioneer
>> (then £10.5k)
>> but even that wasn't up to what I considered to be a good
>enough standard.
>> The contrast wasn't great, it leaked charge between pixels giving
>> a glowing
>> edge to film credits and - well, there was a whole list at the
>time which
>> I've forgotten by now.
>>
>> It's like anything that you see ... you have to get past the
immediate
>> impressiveness of a 50" screen in a package that you can hang
>on the wall
>> and actually look at the resultant performance.
>>
>> I would say that we're still a few years away from the ideal
>> plasma screen.
>>
>> Oh yeah ... one other thing about the plasmas that I disliked. THE
FAN
>> NOISE! If anyone has left the 40" plasma running in the
boardroom
>> then I can
>> hear it as I pass the boardroom door.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Keith Doxey [mailto:ukha.diyha@xxxxxxx]
>> > Sent: 24 February 2001 13:13
>> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Dome Auction
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for the confirmation Phil.
>> >
>> > One other thing I forgot to mention.... the screens we were
>> > offered had been
>> > fitted with high contrast anti glare screens to improve the
>visibility
>> > (smoked glass screen) and if you have ever tried an anti
>glare screen on
>> > your PC monitor you will realise just how much light gets
>> absorbed by the
>> > anti-glare screen meaning you have to drive the
monitor/plasma
>> even harder
>> > :-(
>> >
>> > Keith
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Phillip Harris [mailto:phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx]
>> > Sent: 24 February 2001 12:00
>> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Dome Auction
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Just to confirm what Keith's saying...
>> >
>> > At the moment we have a Pioneer 40" 4:3 plasma at work
and
>> we've probably
>> > had it no more than 18 months. It doesn't show the same
things
>> > all day, it's
>> > not even showing things all day but it does usually get left
on
>> > all day (9 -
>> > 6) - even though people are told to power it down after use.
It is
>> > *definitely* getting greyer as time goes on ... it's
certainly
>> > not as bright
>> > or contrasty as it used to be.
>> >
>> > I'd be very wary of buying a plasma at the moment -
especially a
>> > second hand
>> > one. I've been and looked at several that were current six
months ago
>> > (including the Pioneer 50" XGA) and I really didn't
think that
>> > they were at
>> > a point where they were suitable for long term domestic use.
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >
>> >
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