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RE: Digest Number 103


  • Subject: RE: Digest Number 103
  • From: Dr John Tankard
  • Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:58:00 +0000

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<DIV><SPAN class="572562908-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I
agree 110% with Mark, the price of cat5 is so cheap it would be foolish not
to put loads in. I have made some mistakes in the positions of my Node 0
but the cable runs that I have done all end&nbsp;in full depth 2 gang
boxes (cooker boxes) the unused ones have a blanking plate covering them.
You might say what about wifi, I have lots of it and it is very good,
iPaq's, epods, laptop, (even a DDAR !,(Before anyone asks it is connected
to a WAP)), but at the end of the day there is a finite bandwidth for the
whole house, with cat5 and a switch the problem is just the link to the
server and since its all running 10 to 25 times the speed its less of a
problem (and even if it is you could just add another network
card.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="572562908-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="572562908-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">The
other thing, which is easy to under estimate is power outlets. Hifi stack I
have 6 doubles (not enough) study 8 doubles (I am actualy now using 36
sockets !)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="572562908-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="572562908-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I
would also say look at likely lamp positions and home run to them, put non
standard skts like Rock &amp; Ashley's Klikax. That way you can put x10
din rail or other lighting systems in without the risk of some one plugging
in a Hoover and blowing it it up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="572562908-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="572562908-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2">John</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us"
dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT
face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Mark Harrison [mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> 16 May 2002
09:17<BR><B>To:</B>
kat5-users@xxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [KAT5] Digest
Number 103<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2">Stuart,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">You
are fitting far too little CAT5. You may not believe me, and I may not be
able to think of enough application yet, but I've seen far too many people
fit "what they thought they needed", and then wish they'd fitted
more. (Once you've got it, you find uses for
it.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
class="722010808-16052002"></SPAN><FONT
face="Arial"><FONT color="#0000ff"><FONT
size="2"></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I
would allow for 4 points in each corner of each room - ie 16 points per
room. Extra in your study/den/office, extra wherever you have your main
hi-fi.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">The
cheap part of running cable is the cable. The expensive part is the
termination. The solution is therefore to run the cable, but instead of
fitting expensive modules in each room, just fit blanking plates, and fit
the modules as and when you need to.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">In a
retro-fit, it makes sense to fit cable only where you need it. In a
new-build / re-wire it makes sense run more than you'll ever think you'll
need.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">As
some examples, here are some of the things I run on
CAT5.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
ISDN from wall point to firewall</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
Ethernet to 3 PCs + a Rio in my study</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
Ethernet to 2 PCs + a Rio in Mary's
study</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
KAT5 from the nursery to the main hifi which lives in our
bedroom(baby-cam!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
KAT5 from the main hi-fi to the back wall (for surround sound without
trailing wires)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
Garden-cam (security)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
Rio Receiver in the nursery</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
Rio Receiver in the living room</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
KAT5 from the main hi-fi upstairs to the downstairs system to play
laserdisks/DVDs on the projector</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">...
coming soon:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
"Beam-breaks" from some of the doorways back to the central
controller</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
Viaproject (a cheap player that plays back DVDs from a central networked
store, sort of Rio for DVD)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">-
Low-level control of valves for the garden irrigation
system.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">....
I could go on, but I hope you get the message :-) You may not want to do
90% of these things, but I'm willing to bet that, over the lifetime of your
house, you'll come up with some things NOT on my list that you DO want to
do...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2">Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class="722010808-16052002"><FONT
face="Arial" color="#0000ff"
size="2"><BR>Mark</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr"
align="left"><FONT face="Tahoma"
size="2">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Stuart Lee [mailto:s.f.l@xxxxxxx]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
16 May 2002 07:41<BR><B>To:</B>
kat5-users@xxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [KAT5] Digest
Number 103<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><TT>Does
anyone know roughly when the new Kat5 products will be ready?<BR>I
will be ready to cable my new house in August but I need to know
exactly<BR>what I am going to be<BR>wiring for.<BR>I was
thinking about at least a double cat5 socket in each room, 1 infra
red<BR>receiver in the main rooms, hard wired to node
zero<BR>and connected to a xantech block.<BR>speaker cable in
each room.<BR>I dont know whether to bother with co-ax or
not.<BR><BR><BR><
/TT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>




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